CA CA - Paul Miller, 51, Canadian missing in Joshua Tree Natl Park, San Bernardino Co., 13 Jul 2018 #2

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  1. zecats

    zecats Well-Known Member

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    Is this ridge from the diversion (wash) area? Or near the end of Oasis Trail? Did you hike along the wash at all? Or you were referring to the trail itself when seeing droppings?
    Thanks for doing all this. It’s helpful to have eyes on.
     
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    Bethan Well-Known Member

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    Rimrocked
    “Climbing up to a spot from which you are surprisingly too frightened to descend. This term is most frequently applied in slickrock country; many climbers find it easy to scramble up the ladder-like layers...but going down can be quite unnerving. When one becomes so unnerved that they are stuck, they are "rimrocked."

    Had to check this out in a Hiker’s Lexicon.
    Always learning new things, here on Websleuths!
     
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  3. atlstnspc

    atlstnspc Active Member

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    I left the trail and walked to the end of the wash where it reaches a small saddle and a larger wash descends down the other side. Here is the Google Maps location of the Parking Lot Overlook:
    34°06'47.7"N 116°06'43.5"W
    Here is the location of the start of the side wash I hiked up to reach the Overlook:
    34°06'39.0"N 116°06'25.6"W

    From Google Maps the wash appears to be about 2/3 of the way to the Oasis and is easy to follow. Be aware the wash crosses the trail and I only hiked up.

    I saw Sheep droppings along the wash but none on the trail.

    We’ve had a lot of rain so I’ll ckeck the lower washes next and look for signs. Not to get to graphic but I think somebody will find Paul’s boots down a wash.
     
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  4. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    Sorry for being OT...FWIW, maybe the JT Science Staff will find Paul!!

    Joshua Tree Corrects Number Of Joshua Trees Taken Down During Shutdown
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    ...However, the superintendent added that "Joshua Tree science staff are currently working to assemble an accurate and detailed report documenting natural and cultural resource damage that occurred during the shutdown. Botanists have confirmed that during the shutdown an out of bounds vehicle at Ryan Campground struck and killed at least one Joshua Tree."
     
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  5. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Yes, the roaming scientists who are observant by nature, could be the ones to find him. Let’s hope so!
     
  6. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Wow, that's rugged.
     
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  7. SFDukie

    SFDukie Well-Known Member

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    This is past the "climb" in the trail-"far" side of which Neil saw PM, is that correct?
    Appreciate the pictures and perspective!
     
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  8. atlstnspc

    atlstnspc Active Member

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    I’m not sure what Neil saw. Maybe you could provide a link?
    I think this is the low point where the trail starts to ascend towards the Oasis. I’ll have to get a USGS Topo map to better understand the terrain.
    Google Maps location of the wash where it crosses the trail:
    34°06'39.0"N 116°06'25.6"W
    Dead end of the wash at a cliff:
    34°06'51.2"N 116°06'50.5"W
     
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  9. atlstnspc

    atlstnspc Active Member

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    I hiked up the opposite side of dead end wash I mentioned in my last post. This looks like prime Mountain Lion habitat with all the caves. I didn’t get to close, but this would be a good place to check. I’ll come back with somebody or at least get some bear spray. I don’t want to stick my head inside one of those caves and come up with a face full of fangs and claws.
    upload_2019-2-4_11-20-47.jpeg
     
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  10. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Yes, we don’t need another Victim!
     
  11. SFDukie

    SFDukie Well-Known Member

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    Hey thanks again.
    Hi atl-
    Neil relayed that he saw PM on Neil's return leg, PM's outbound leg, partway downslope (from PM's outbound perspective, upslope from Neil's return perspective)
    narrative is here-CA - CA - Paul Miller, 51, Canadian missing in Joshua Tree National Park, San Bernardino Co., 13 Jul 2018
     
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  12. zecats

    zecats Well-Known Member

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    Luckily (I guess) mountain lions are uncommon here, though they have been spotted...recently as article in March 2018.

    Mammals - Joshua Tree National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

    Do be careful though please.
     
  13. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Lots of places there where somebody disoriented from heat exhaustion and not thinking clearly might have crawled trying to find shade.
     
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    atlstnspc Active Member

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    upload_2019-2-5_12-47-14.jpeg They may be uncommon, however wherever there are Big Horn Sheep there will be Mountain Lions to eat them. Case in point- Picture taken at the canyon to the right of the Oasis, about 1/4 of a mile in, found in a rock cave. The large white one is an old deer leg bone. The rest are Big Horn Sheep, meat still attached. I kept looking up on the way back. They attack from above and behind.
     
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    dspdenver Well-Known Member

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    We just had a trail runner attacked at Horsetooth Reservoir near Fort Collins. He managed to kill the young mountain lion by suffocating it, per the necropsy. Apparently, with lions, always fight back if you are attacked. Take care out there.
     
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    zecats Well-Known Member

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    Jaw officially dropped.

    OT News of a jogger in Colorado who was attacked by a mountain lion and actually was able to strangle the cat with his bare hands and kill it, after wrestling with it for some time. The cat did attack from behind, as I've heard they're prone to do, and as you pointed out. Usually they attack smaller victims like children. This was an adult man and the cat was apparently a juvenile. Yikes!
     
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    atlstnspc Active Member

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  19. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    Cant help but think of Paul and wonder if he travelled much at home in Canada...hope he had seen Big Horns before he headed out at JTNP in July 2018.

    Sheep count 'healthy' - Penticton News

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  20. AzPistonsGirl

    AzPistonsGirl Detroit to the Bone

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    I've been away from WS for a short while but came back to bump a few special threads. Always great to have new eyes and new help here. Remember that Paul lives in Canada and was not an "avid" hiker back home nor very experienced with the trails around JT. But he did have that coyote tattoo...

    Clearly, we're not out of ideas (and hope) yet!
     

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