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CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

Discussion in 'Rebecca Zahau Nalepa' started by Salem, Sep 6, 2011.

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Please continue here.

    Here is a link to the rules and tips on dealing with your fellow posters. Please take a moment to look the rules over. We have a lot of newbies here.

    The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    ALSO - please remember, we do NOT sleuth minors, we do NOT post identifying information about minors, we do NOT name minors.

    If a minor is a victim or has been publically named by LE as a perp, then their name may be used. In this particular case, the ONLY minor that may be identified by name is Max, because he was a victim. ALL other minors are OFF THE TABLE.

    This is a strict rule and your cooperation is appreciated.

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    ETA: Further explanation on minor names. Even when quoting from MSM or other sources, if the minor is not the victim or the perp, we change the name to initials. We do NOT quote the name of the minor. This is to protect the minor. Please keep that in mind. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the parent of that minor. What would you think if your child's name was splattered all over the web.

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  2. HowLoveCanBe

    HowLoveCanBe New Member

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    I agree the hair between the noose and the skin is something worth really looking into. At the same time if you have given up all hope and actually put a noose on yourself with the idea that the very next thing you are going to do is jump 9 ft - maybe you aren't thinking about your hair. What percentage of females with long hair that hang themselves do or do not adjust their hair?
     
  3. SunnieRN

    SunnieRN Active Member

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    Clipped from the dr. drew episode:
    LISA BOESKY, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I live here in San Diego, and I`ve been following this case all along. And I will tell you, they truly do believe it is a suicide.

    Now, I specialize in suicide. I`ve worked on hundreds of cases of serious suicide attempts and completed suicides. And I have more questions now than I did at the beginning of this case.

    And I can tell you, suicide is usually a personal, private event. This was a very public act that happened. It appears aggressive, angry, vengeful, potentially humiliating.

    We rarely see women nude. And the cryptic message, if you think about it, on the door, "She saved him. Can he save her?" If she had written that, wouldn`t it say, "Can he save me?"

    You would think if she was guilty she would be writing things like, "Forgive me," or "I`m sorry," or "I deserve to be punished." So there are a lot of things about this.

    And I think the key also is, when people have not made a suicide attempt, and they go to hang themselves, they almost always think of something to hang themselves from up above. So, a shower head, a pipe in a basement, something in a closet, a hook on the door. They wouldn`t think of the bed, jumping off the balcony, and as you said, these elaborate knots that are so complex and so complicated.

    Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No.
     
  4. SunnieRN

    SunnieRN Active Member

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    Also this:

    Now, listen to this. Jonah Shacknai`s brother, Adam -- remember those knots? His brother Adam is a tugboat operator based in Tennessee.

    Now, I don`t know this guy, but someone tied a clean hitch knot commonly used for dock tying and a slip knot with a red marine rope. One end of the cord was tied to the leg of a cast iron bed, anchoring it.

    I mean, and you saw those videos of the elaborate nature of that rope work. It really looked like a block and tackle from a 16th century Schooner or something.

    Don`t police need to be able to explain that?

    HEGER: Yes. And what I want to know is, Adam Shacknai cut Rebecca down when he saw her the next morning. So his fingerprints and DNA would have to be on those ropes. Yet, law enforcement said on Friday the only DNA that was on those ropes was Rebecca. That`s impossible.

    PINSKY: So the tugboat operator who says he cut her down, his DNA didn`t even show up on this. And law enforcement had no explanation for that?

    HEGER: No. No explanation.

    PINSKY: All right.
     
  5. Kentjbkent

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    Just wanted to add link.....

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/06/ddhln.01.html
     
  6. Kentjbkent

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    So in following this thread all evening, we have discussed guest bedrooms, ropes, nooses, tshirt, woman's clothing on floor, black paint, paint brushes, cryptic message, etc...

    But I don't think anyone has mentioned the fact that autopsy report states there was tape residue on Rebecca's legs...but LE did not report this fact during press conference?

    THoughts? How does this tape residue play into the various theories????

    JEN HEGER, LEGAL EDITOR, RADAR ONLINE: I think the most stunning revelation is the fact that there was tape residue found on the back of Rebecca`s legs. And this was not discussed at all by the law enforcement at the press conference on Friday. There was also, as you said, strips of her T-shirt that were around her neck, might have been in her mouth at some point. This is very odd.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/06/ddhln.01.html
     
  7. Steely Dan

    Steely Dan Former Member

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    This is from the autopsy report that was graciously downloaded in the other thread.

    [​IMG]

    What is it about a few items of women's clothing and makeup wipes being in the guesthouse. Am I reading that right? Sorry if this has already been posted but this thread moves too fast and if you walk away for a few hours you're way behind.
     
  8. SunnieRN

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    We have been discussing that, as well as the fact that LE did not state if they knew who the clothes belonged to.:waitasec:
     
  9. HowLoveCanBe

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    To me it's no coincidence that:
    1. She was barred from the ICU
    2. Her dog was boarded up
    3. Her clothes may have been in the 'guest house'
    4. She did save Max from dying immediately after the fall
    5. She believed she might go to hell for taking her life - and would want to be saved by Max / or was hoping Jonah would come home and save her
    6. She was tied to the bed - in knots - and maybe not for the first time
    7. She jumped from the 'guest room'
    8. She was found hanging outside the house as if she had no where to go

    Possible?
     
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    This how I read it too, and it had been discussed on the previous thread for quite some time. This question should be asked of LE.
     
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    Here's the response of the ME concerning some facts left out of their presentation last Friday:


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    Now I guess they're back to the bunker and wait for incoming......
     
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    Thanks, I'll go back and look for the discussion.
     
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    JUst for my clarification...(not questioning you! :seeya:)

    1. Do we know for a fact that she was barred from ICU?

    2. I thought she called INQUIRING about boarding, but never showed up with dog? (per interview with boarding ctr owner)

    6. She was tied to the bed in knots? and not for the first time?? :waitasec:

    8. "...as if she had no where to go..."? :waitasec:
     
  14. SunnieRN

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    So, knots. Remember when Rebecca first passed away, her sister stated what a wonderful and loyal friend she was? She talked about how she was learning to swim, to do a triathalon with a friend. She didn't know how to swim.

    Don't think she would have knowledge of nautical ties.
     
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    Time to use all your well-earned speed reading skills obtained during the Casey trial.....:floorlaugh:
     
  16. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    1. We are pretty sure she was not allowed into the hospital to see Max.
    2. She boarded the dog
    6. This is a complete speculation on the poster's part with no evidence to back it up
    8. Again speculation on the poster's part
     
  17. SunnieRN

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    I can address two. Her dog was picked up Tuesday morning and boarded at camp diggity dog, or some such.

    The rest is hearsay, although a person who knows DS, (Chasing Halos), states that she refused to let Rebecca visit Max.
     
  18. Curious Me

    Curious Me Long-Time Member from back in the day

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    Just saying - if you're going to write down in the report that you found these clothes belonging to a woman in the guest house bedroom then why not say whose clothes they turned out to be? Afterall, RZ was found naked.

    Towelettes would have skin cells and dna, I'm pretty sure.
     
  19. StJohn

    StJohn Caribbean Paradise

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    IMO, RN & her sister stayed in the guest house on Monday night, could be any number of reasons why, given the chaotic events of the day. Then, on Tuesday, Adam came into town, and her sister left town, so she felt she had to stay in the mansion. Going back to that big house alone, encountering the site of Max's accident, must have been nearly overwhelming. Then, JS tried to call while she was on the phone with her sister, call went to voice mail so JS left the msg about Max's condition.
     
  20. Kentjbkent

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    Wow.

    WOW. WOW. WOW.
     
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