CA CA - San Diego, WhtFem 598UFCA, 20-40, in orange suitcase, Jun'73

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  1. kpdx

    kpdx Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of E

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    Here is another possible match for San Diego Jane located in 1973:

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/598ufca.html

    with Antoinette Marino. I can't find any more than Antoinette's doe and charley profiles, http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1665dfca.html

    but i think this is a good possible because of the demographics, type of death, and comparison of images.

    i wanted to put these two together to also link up that two women went missing from similar area around similar time. i think its always helpful to keep that in mind.

    let me know what you think on this one, i am not sure without antoinette's dental or dna whether a match can be made to jane.
     
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  3. JupiterAmmon

    JupiterAmmon New Member

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    The Doe Network:
    Case File 598UFCA
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/598ufca.html

    Unidentified White Female


    The victim was discovered on June 17, 1973 in San Diego Bay, San Diego County, California
    Estimated Date of Death: Recent
    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 20-40 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'1"; 150 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly of Portuguese or Italian descent. Black, medium length hair; brown eyes. Well kept nails.
    Distinguishing Marks: There was a ½“ birthmark on her left outer thigh, similar to a mole. There were also two smallpox-type vaccination marks on her right shoulder and possibly a small round scar on her left cheek.
    Dentals: Perfect teeth.
    Case History
    On June 13, 1973 San Diego police discovered the body of a young woman underneath the pier at the foot of Laurel Street.
    The woman’s body had been dismembered and placed into an orange suitcase and several green plastic garbage bags.
    The woman was never identified, nor was the perpetrator, and the motive behind her death remains a mystery.
    Although the woman’s remains were found in San Diego, investigators at the time thought she might have been from the Los Angeles area.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    San Diego Police Department
    Cold Case Team
    619-531-2293
    Email
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    73-27728

    Source Information:
    San Diego Police Department





    Antoinette Diane Marino

    Missing since around June 1, 1972 from Lynwood, Los Angeles County, California
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: October 18, 1942
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 29 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    Dentals: Not Available
    Fingerprints: Not Available
    Medical: Toni had a drug and alcohol problem at the time of her disappearance.
    AKA: Toni; Jennifer D. Ruff; Carol Volt.
    She also used the last names of Basta and Biral interchanged with the first names of Antoinette, Toni, Diane, Jennifer and Carol.
    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Marino was last seen at her father and stepmother's home in Lynwood California on June 1, 1972 and was never seen or heard from again.
    She was known to frequent bars in the N. Hollywood area. She spent some time in Salinas, CA and in the Big Sur area of California in the late 1960's.

    Toni had a drug and alcohol problem, but still kept in contact with her family on a regular basis. That contact abruptly stopped in 1972 and she was never seen or heard from again.
    Coroner's offices in Los Angeles and surrounding counties have been checked for Jane Does, but there have been no hits.
    There has been no activity on her social security number. Foul play is suspected.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

    Long Beach Police Department
    562-435-6711

    Agency Case Number: 05-0028005

    NCIC Number: M-844832083
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:

    CA DOJ
    The Doe Network

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1665dfca.html


    Someone else mentioned this match on a possible match between this doe and Sherry Jean Pickle. What do you guys think about this?
     
  4. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    I have my doubts about this match if for no other reason the UID is at least 30 lbs heavier than Antoinette and she was reported to have had a problem with drugs. people with drug problems typically do not gain 30 lbs in one year.
     
  5. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    I had the same initial reaction as webrocket with regards to the weight differences. However doenet indicates the MP had both a drug and alcohol problem and it is not unusual for habitual drinkers to gain weight. It's the drinkers who drink and rarely eat subsituting alcohol for food that tend to stay on the thinner side. Because of that I think it may be possible for the MP to have gained 30 lbs in a year.

    That said part of the info on Doenet for the MP indicates the following: Coroner's offices in Los Angeles and surrounding counties have been checked for Jane Does, but there have been no hits.

    I looked and did not see this UID in NamUs so no list of rule outs that I can determine to see if the MP and UID have been compared.

    I don't see a lot of resemblence but I would at least call the ME and ask if the UID has been compared to Antoinette. It may already have been ruled out depending on how long the investigators on the MP case compared UID's from surrounding counties.
     
  6. Ambercat

    Ambercat New Member

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    I see where you are coming from with this, but I am wondering where the numbers for Antoinette's weight are coming from? A lot of women estimate themselves considerably lighter than they are on their driver's license (they say that men tend to estimate themselves taller)?

    I was curious if Antoinette Marino had ever been ruled out as being this Jane Doe, too.
     
  7. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I can vouch for that. My driver's license indicates 6'0", but I am closer to 5'11"
     
  8. Sherlock61

    Sherlock61 Inactive

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    What is the definition of "recent"? Less than a year, I would guess. Jane Doe was found June 17, 1973 under a pier and Antoinette Marino disappeared a year before. Her pattern of staying in touch with her parents, the weight difference, the "well kept nails" and the condition of the body's teeth indicate they might not be the same. Teeth are a very good indicator of long term drug abuse.
     
  9. kylie

    kylie New Member

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    If you go on the Doe network site for today Oct. 29 her case has been closed and archived with no mention of resolution. Maybe your match was her
     
  10. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    the missing person's Doe page is gone but the UID's is still up. leads me to think that Marino was matched to someone else (or found alive).
     
  11. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I sent an e-mail to Rebecca Roberts of DoeNet to ask if she knows why Antoinette was removed.

    She replied as follows:

    I suspect that CADOJ closed the case because it was so old, they probably lost the casefile, and they didn't want to bother with tips that are probably still coming in now and then.
     
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    Angie4b1g New Member

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    People are awesome. :doh:
     
  13. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    This has recently changed. It has been decided that we want this forum to be as simple as possible for newbies and oldies alike. We need participation. We need to send these people home to their loved ones. :grouphug:
     
  14. JupiterAmmon

    JupiterAmmon New Member

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    <modsnip>

    I saw this missing person on the Charley Project and immediately thought of this doe although she was found a couple years later (and is several pounds heavier)

    http://charleyproject.org/cases/d/duncan_ann.html

    What do you guys think? The picture of her with black hair I thought looked strikingly similar to this doe.
     
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    JupiterAmmon New Member

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  16. kpdx

    kpdx Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of E

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    what a sad case. all those poor children!

    but i think with the time lapse this is not a likely match. seems like something happened to ann within a short time after her disappearance...
     
  17. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Here is a new NamUs casefile:

    This woman is listed (and shown in the photo) as a blonde, but based on her childhood photo, is clearly a brunette.

    Aside from hair color, she fits pretty well to this Jane Doe, and the timeframe corresponds to that of the Jane Doe.

    Sallie Belle Maxine Gard-Signani

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14018/4

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    Perhaps she reverted back to her natural hair color prior to her death:

    I just started a thread for her yesterday (before the photo was added to her NamUs casefile):

    WA WA - Sallie Belle Maxine Gard-Signani, 32, Renton, Jun'73


    ETA: Here is a re-post of the UID's DoeNet casefile
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/598ufca.html
     
  18. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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  21. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    i am from san jose and let me say in 1971 that was way out in the sticks. it is still outside of town now, but not that far. i will be 40 this year and blossom hill was the outskirts when i was in my teens and now it is bustling.

     

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