Identified! CA - San Mateo Co, WhtMale 773UMCA, 19-25, female clothing, Nov'83 *name withheld*

[carbuff]

Oh news paper article I think Iam blind because Iam totally missing it on the page But what i did notice was images of jewelry that I had not noticed before! Thanks for bringing this up again carbuff I would not have noticed the jewelry ! Photo below

The photos of the newspaper article are just to the right of the jewelry photo on my screen.

 

[madamx]

The photos of the newspaper article are just to the right of the jewelry photo on my screen.

So odd I don't see the article. May because on my phone. I wish check later on my lap top. So weird.

 

[carbuff]

If you're on your phone, they might be cutting them off.

I don't know if this will work any better:

https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/10528/Images/34375/Original
https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/10528/Images/34376/Original

 

[Paisley_in_Ottawa]

To repeat myself from a 2016 post

"I've always thought this was Martin Miller"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Martin-Alan-Miller-18-West-Hartford-May-1980

 

[carbuff]

I dunno. It's plausible I guess. My reservations:

The mileage on Miller's rental car isn't enough for a trip to California from Connecticut, let alone back to Alabama. Though I suppose there are explanations for that. He did say he was going to California, and if he wanted to live an alternative lifestyle that might have been enough reason to leave his family--basically as soon as he was old enough to be legal.

He's a bit larger than the UID, whose measurements should be pretty accurate because of how soon the body was found.

I did a side by side but it's hard to tell much because of the very different angles. Again possible but I'm not wild about it.

 

[madamx]

If you're on your phone, they might be cutting them off.

I don't know if this will work any better:

https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/10528/Images/34375/Original
https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/10528/Images/34376/Original

Perfect thank you Carbuff I finally got to see it with your link. I think your right it must of been cutting it off on my phone. Iam posting the article below so we have it here also

 

[madamx]

I dunno. It's plausible I guess. My reservations:

The mileage on Miller's rental car isn't enough for a trip to California from Connecticut, let alone back to Alabama. Though I suppose there are explanations for that. He did say he was going to California, and if he wanted to live an alternative lifestyle that might have been enough reason to leave his family--basically as soon as he was old enough to be legal.

He's a bit larger than the UID, whose measurements should be pretty accurate because of how soon the body was found.

I did a side by side but it's hard to tell much because of the very different angles. Again possible but I'm not wild about it.

I can see it with the nose and the eyebrow shape but for some reason miller looks like he has an overbite no?

 

[madamx]

Harold Lawson went missing from San Francisco on February 3, 1983 and wears women's clothing. There are some discrepancies between the two, but he went missing from about 30 miles away and was known to dress as a woman (I don't think this is a very common trait).

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4679314732507

It's San Francisco, men dressing in women's clothing was way more common there for years. It has always had a very big Gay and Trans community.

Now for some of my useless trivia...
Remember the Village People put them on the Map for the rest of the world to know. With their 1970s song Hit San Francisco.

Oh and speaking of Harold he has a thread on here and I believe he was finally found .

 

[UnlicensedPI]

To repeat myself from a 2016 post

"I've always thought this was Martin Miller"

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Martin-Alan-Miller-18-West-Hartford-May-1980

I'd say it's highly unlikely given this UID was wearing a cross and (I'm pretty sure) Martin Miller was Jewish.

 

[Paisley_in_Ottawa]

Three years later, no ? Martin disappeared c 1980

 

[Paisley_in_Ottawa]

Good point, but in my 1980s childhood recollections, everyone was wearing crosses for fashion. You never know....

 

[carbuff]

Good point, but in my 1980s childhood recollections, everyone was wearing crosses for fashion. You never know....

I was going to mention that crosses were just jewelry for a few years, especially in the Goth subculture. And there are a lot of atheist/agnostic Jews around, too (Mr. Carbuff being one of them).

It seems likely that the decedent had left home to come to San Francisco because of the lifestyle, so if they're reported missing at all, it might be several years previous. So Martin's three years doesn't seem like a big deal.

 

[reasonableguess]

Given the era, I’m going to venture that family did not report this person missing. :’(

 

[Paisley_in_Ottawa]

Possibly - or thinks their missing son is a straight male and never would have looked outside the box to find a match to this person.

 

[madamx]

Possibly - or thinks their missing son is a straight male and never would have looked outside the box to find a match to this person.

Oh that is a good thought!

 

[Dyakt]

Oh that is a good thought!

Possibly - or thinks their missing son is a straight male and never would have looked outside the box to find a match to this person.

Crossdressing =/= not straight. The outfit did not sound like the Doe was prostituting as the opposite gender, but as being trans or a crossdresser.

That doesn't make them not straight fyi. (I know I'm nitpicking, but when it comes to stigma like this it's extremely important to get people to realize those aren't equal.) For example, J.Edgar Hoover wasn't necessarily straight out homosexual, but had a transpersona "Mary".

But I absolutely agree with you two, most likely this Doe has never been identified is because his/her family didn't want/know/expect to find their child in female clothing.

 

[Gourami Watcher]

I read the news article on the NamUs file and couldn't hold back tears. I just can't imagine what this pour soul went through.

 

[leilarose68]

Pillar Point Doe is the latest DNA Doe Project case, suggested to them by Trans Doe Task Force.

You can check out the mission of Trans Doe Task Force here!: Trans Doe Task Force

 

[carbuff]

Amazing what a difference a little makeup makes.

 

[KaylaraOwl]

Shared the new recons on Twitter. Hope someone recognizes them.