CA CA - Santa Cruz Co, WhtMale 17-20, UP3067, ''Eric from Florida'', Dec'98

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  1. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1208umca.html

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    Reconstructions of Victim

    Doe Network: Case File 1208UMCA

    Unidentified White Male

    The victim was discovered on December 27, 1998 in Santa Cruz County, California

    Skeletal Remains

    Vital Statistics Estimated age: 17-20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'7"; 150 lbs.

    Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, He had a shaven head and a 5 inch pony tail on the back of his head, The pony tail had beads and other material woven into it.Clothing: Maroon, turtleneck shirt; blue denim, oversized pants and white socks. White metal, key chain type necklace.

    Other: It is thought that his name might be Eric and that he was from Florida.

    Dentals: Available
    DNA: Profile available at state lab.

    Case History The victim was located in a remote mountain area. The perpetrators were arrested and convicted of the murder of this young man. His identity was unknown to the perpetrators. It is thought that his name might be Eric and that he was from Florida. He was accompanied by a girlfriend who had a Toyota auto with white license plates. Her name is unknown. He had a vehicle which they wanted and was found with opiates in his system. He was stabbed to death.

    Investigators If you have any information about this case please contact:

    Santa Cruz Sheriff-Coroner Alan Burt 831-454-3001

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: 98-13920NCIC Number: U-1808500338
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
    Source Information:

    NamUs https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3067
     
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  2. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    ive seen this case on namus, and I don't live far from santa cruz so I remembered it. I wish they would give more details like WHO was convicted of murdering this guy. and a better drawing too. I swear I have seen a missing person who looked like this guy but he was missing after this guy was found dead.
     
  3. MagnoliaMountain

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    That hairstyle sounds like "Hare Krishna" to me. I've just recently seen it on young Hare Krishna guys.
     
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  4. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    This seems somewhat unclear to me, unless I am simply being thick.

    HE had a vehicle his killers wanted, but his girlfriend had a Toyota. Presumably his was the vehicle he was travelling in, possibly from Florida, so they were not travelling together in one car.

    And which states would have had white licence plates at that time?

    It's not at all clear whether there is a second missing person/murder victim here, ie the girlfriend. Is there are description anywhere of her?
     
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    Doenet link shows 404 error for some reason but on his NamUs profile it states : He had a gun which they wanted
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3067
     
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    Posted: 01/10/10

    'Blue Tarp John' was found in a remote area off Bear Creek Road in the San Lorenzo Valley on Dec. 27, 1998. A woman and two men were convicted of murdering him -- he had a gun they wanted -- and are serving state prison time, but his identity has never been determined. After killing him, they stole his wallet and threw most of the contents, including his ID, into a trash can at the Santa Cruz Metro station. He may be a Florida man named Eric and, before he was killed, he was with a girlfriend who had a Toyota with white license plates.

    http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/zz/20100110/NEWS/100118888

    I did not check the map but it seems that Juanita Jean Nelson went missing from around there at the same time frame (14th Dec 98) and they were searching for her in the same Bear Creek Road area in December when Blue Tarp John was discovered there.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nelson_juanita.html
     
  8. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    No trace of her in Doe Network and Namus.
     
  9. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    That makes a big difference. It's much more likely that they were travelling together and that they might both have been from Florida. So either she was killed as well and there's a body out there, found or not, or she was left alive and no doubt wondered where her boyfriend had gone. If he was an adult, would the police in that area have taken a missing persons report?

    MagnoliaMountain up-thread mentioned that his hairstyle might indicate a Hare Krishna connection. I know nowt about this group, but how would the gun sit with that? From what I know, some religious groups are completely pacifist but others are violent and coercive.
     
  10. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    This might be a naive question, but since the perpetrators were convicted this is no longer a live criminal investigation. Would it be possible to obtain more information from the investigation files through a FOI request?

    It seems to me that, based on the details in the public domain about the girlfriend's car, there may be more details about her. Obviously the police didn't speak to her or she would have told them her boyfriend's name, but there may be something to work on such as a description of her by a witness that might provide a jumping off point for comparing her to UIDs etc.
     
  11. cvaldez1975

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    some gangsters in the 90's had similar too.

     
  12. cvaldez1975

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    if he was skeletal, would they know whether he had opiates in his system?

     
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    I get sad when i read quotes from Butch Baker, he was shot a few years ago and killed along w a female deputy.

    anyways had blue tarp john doe and Juanita baker disappeared together, he definitely would not have been skeletal when found, it is moist and cool in the santa cruz mountains in December.

     
  14. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    I believe they are peaceful. it makes more sense this may be gang involved to me.

     
  15. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    Maybe. Is there anything to suggest how long he had been in California? Long enough to have had some prior dealings with the men who killed him, or very recently and he was just very unlucky to have run into them? Then again, if they wanted his gun they must have known he had it.
     
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    i wonder if the santa cruz co sheriff would release any info on the case since the perps are already convicted?

     
  17. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    This kid might be a little too old, but it's the only Eric/Erik from Florida missing in the 90's that I could find. Erik Patchin was 20 when he went missing in 1994. He had brown hair in a mullet at the time: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6498/
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Oh yeah and Erik has two threads here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...allahassee-24-May-1994&highlight=Erik+Patchin
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...0)-Tallahassee-FL-1994&highlight=Erik+Patchin
     
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    George Erick Jones is missing from Alabama under circumstances that are similar. He was last seen with his ex-wife. Alabama had white license plates at the time. He had just bought a car, luggage and clothes. Heading to FL or Mobile AL and car broke down. Time missing fits but height is off--weight is on---Had several tattoos that may rule him out and photos do not show a pony tail but they are jail photos and may be outdated


    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1394dmal.html

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  20. Helpmefeel

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    i read newspaper articles and John Doe was first of all really decomposed...
     

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