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Convenient.
Sheriff from above link.Newest Update I could find. Video
Preliminary evidence is showing 15 yr-old Savannah Graziano was a participant in the shooting.
Sounds like the investigation is not done. I'm going to need a bit more then this.
i feel as if she was parental alienated (brainwashed) by dad... how is it stable to have your child living out of motels and a truck, and what kid would want that.. a brainwashed one. pas is so complex. he prob convinced her it was them against the world.A man who was accused of killing his estranged wife in Fontana and abducting their 15-year-old daughter had been living with the teenager out of his pickup truck and hotels for weeks before the violence, authorities said Wednesday.15-year-old girl killed in Hesperia shootout had been staying with father before mother's slaying
A man who was accused of killing his estranged wife in Fontana and abducting their 15-year-old daughter had been living with the teenager out of his pickup truck and hotels for weeks.abc7.com
More at link.
it said he was inside of his house. i wonder if they lived on that street? why was mom walking? for exercise perhaps? maybe he called her to come out and talk?I'm going off my own post because I'm trying to clarify this in my head. Originally she was reported as "abducted", now it's being reported she was with the dad for a month or 2. I'm still not going to place blame on her since I honestly believe the dad caused all of this and she was misguided but there is a younger sibling, was the mom taking him to school and he witnessed this whole thing?( seeing as the shooting was near an elementary school?) My heart sinks will all of this.
at least for sure DOJ is taking over - from link -This doesn't bode well...
"It’s unclear how much video evidence will be available to investigators. At the news conference, Dicus referenced video filmed by a sheriff’s helicopter above the pursuit but made no mention of body-worn cameras, which patrol deputies were supposed to receive by the end of last winter."
Sheriff: Fontana teen killed with father in shootout ‘was a participant in firing at our deputies’
A message was left with sheriff’s officials seeking more information on that claim.www.pe.com
i still feel the amber alert was appropriate. he was clearly a danger and she is now deceased. I have lived through PAS. it is complex and malicious. i feel thats what occurred here.It’s not clear whether she was abducted by her father, as she had been living with him after their parents split up.
A lot to sort out in this tragedy
HMM my thoughts on him coming to fruition.
A tragic situation but definitely dad is to blame.i feel as if she was parental alienated (brainwashed) by dad... how is it stable to have your child living out of motels and a truck, and what kid would want that.. a brainwashed one. pas is so complex. he prob convinced her it was them against the world.
Police uncertain whether girl killed in shootout in California was abducted by her father
Anthony John Graziano and his daughter, Savannah Graziano, 15, were killed Tuesday in a shootout with law enforcement.www.nbcnews.com
Anthony Graziano had moved out of the family’s home a month or two before the killing, as the couple went through a divorce, Fontana Sgt. Christian Surgent told The Associated Press. Savannah Graziano left with her father, while her younger brother stayed with their mother.
Law enforcement located the pickup and chased it on the highway to Hesperia. Throughout the pursuit, Graziano was “constantly shooting back at the deputies” with a rifle through the truck’s rear window, San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus said Tuesday during a news conference.
Dicus said there were “some indications” Savannah was shooting at deputies during the chase but didn’t provide any details.
A firefight in Hesperia ensued when the truck went off-road and somehow became disabled, with dozens of bullets flying. Savannah ran toward deputies — who did not realize it was her — in the chaos and went down amid the gunfire. She was taken to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead shortly before noon.
I don’t think it’s as much a matter of blaming Savannah. I think LE is trying to get at the truth, while showing it wasn’t a case of “bad cops”. Let’s be honest, every LE involved shooting has people screaming, and accusing the officers. To me it doesn’t really matter who fired and hit her. It’s not like killing her was the goal. It’s a horrible, tragic situation brought about by an adult male who was supposed to love and protect her.I really have an issue with saying that Savannah was to blame in some way.
She was a kid, and while I can't say that she DIDN"T pull the trigger, I kind of wish that LE would not vilify her without showing the public something to connect her to it.
My mother was a Fontana PD officer for several years, it has been quite a long time and I am sure that most of the men and women that I knew back in the 80's and 90"s are retired by now. They were a second family to me and I had great love and respect for them.
I am just unsure of how this story is currently unfolding at the moment.
JMO AMOO
I don’t think it’s a matter of blaming Savannah. I think LE is trying to get at the truth while showing it was a case of “bad cops”. To me it doesn’t really matter who fired and hit her. It’s not like killing her was the goal. It’s a horrible, tragic situation brought about by an adult male who was supposed to love and protect her.
probably due to pas.... was a daddys girl. ca tends to favor joint custody, but they were only in the process so daughter may have left w him when he left the home.A tragic situation but definitely dad is to blame.
Why was she living with her dad? Isn’t it more typical for a girl of her age to live with her mother?
If it is true that she was wearing body armor and a helmet when she ran toward them they might not have realized she wasn’t a threat. I am sure it was a chaotic scene.It does matter.
It matters a lot for LE especially considering just how much scrutiny officers are under these days.
If she was running to them, with no weapon , she likely was trying to get to safety.
And of course- ultimately her father is the blame.
I just feel uneasy about how things are coming out to the public.
That's all.
MOO
i still feel the amber alert was appropriate. he was clearly a danger and she is now deceased. I have lived through PAS. it is complex and malicious. i feel thats what occurred here.
yes, parental alienation syndrome.I agree that, with the info known at the time, the Amber Alert was the right call. Witnesses saw the mom being shot and Samantha entering the truck. They had a description of the car, the father, and reason to believe Samantha was in danger and for the public to be on the lookout.
Also, PAS - parental alienation syndrome, correct?