CA CA - Topanga Canyon, WhtFem UP4369, 22-32, purple satin skirt, Aug'80

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    The Doe Network:
    Hot Case 1427
    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1427.html
    NamUs UP 4369 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4369

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    Unidentified White Female


    The victim was discovered on August 28, 1980 at 22000 Saddle Peak Rd., Malibu (Los Angeles County), California

    Partial Skeleton

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 22-32 years old
    Approximate Height: 5'3".
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Blonde/Strawberry hair.
    Clothing: Black knit tank top; long satin purple skirt; panty hose.
    Jewelry: Scarab design ring with black stone; yellow metal ring with white stone; yellow metal angle chain.
    Dentals: Available

    Case History
    The victim was located in Los Angeles County, California on August 28, 1980.
     
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  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't know what Debra Lynn Kidwell was wearing when LKA, but she fits this Jane Doe spot-on for all other metrics:

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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kidwell_debra.html

    [table]
    [tr]
    [th]*****[/th]
    [th]Debra Kidwell[/th]
    [th]Jane Doe UP4369[/th]
    [th]Comparison[/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [th]
    Age:​
    [/th]
    [th]26[/th]
    [th]22-32[/th]
    [th]Within Range[/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [th]
    Height:​
    [/th]
    [th]5 Feet 3 inches[/th]
    [th]5 Feet 3 inches[/th]
    [th]Match[/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [th]
    Hair Color:​
    [/th]
    [th]Blonde[/th]
    [th]Blonde[/th]
    [th]Match[/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [th]
    Date LKA/Discovery Date:​
    [/th]
    [th]4-May-1979[/th]
    [th]28-Aug-1980 (Partial Skeleton)[/th]
    [th]15 Months[/th]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [th]
    Loc LKA/Discovery Loc:​
    [/th]
    [th]Ventura[/th]
    [th]Topanga Canyon[/th]
    [th]46 Miles[/th]
    [/tr]
    [/table]
     
  4. sophiebelle

    sophiebelle New Member

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    That's as close as I've ever seen!
     
  5. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Debra Kidwell doesn't have a MP casefile in NamUs, so I created one (MP24298), and sent an e-mail to Carrie Southerland and Daniel Machian to see if these two cases can be compared.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Saddle Peak Road? Wonder whether she was one of Alcala's victims. I seem to recall someone saying he liked places with a view.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I just talked to Daniel Machian to follow up on this case, and two others.

    He says that he he has a call out to LE in charge of Debra Kidwell's case to try to obtain identifiers on her. As of yet, they have not gotten back to him.
     
  9. sophiebelle

    sophiebelle New Member

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    Let us know! Thanks!
     
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    I looked at Debra Kidwell's NamUs just now, and her record says that she has dentals, DNA, and fingerprints all entered. DNA even says that tests have been run.
     
  11. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    They don't have DNA or fingerprints on the Jane Doe, so DNA or fingerprints on Debra Kidwell would be useless with regard to this UP.

    You would think with dentals entered on both cases, you might be able to get a comparison. Perhaps this is one of those "Inconclusive" cases that require a manual look at x-rays by a Forensic Odontologist.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    The UID's Namus hasn't been updated since April 2014, about when we were discussing her. No photos of her jewelry, no ruleouts, no reconstruction, nothing.
     
  13. sunnynz

    sunnynz Active Member

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    Do you think it's worth following up on this one? It looks like such a high possibility of being a match. Or do you think that they haven't gotten back to you because it's not a match?

    CarlK I bet you're really busy so I am happy to follow up and resubmit this if you think it's worth it?
     

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