CANADA Canada- Amanda Antoni, 31, found dead in her basement, considered suspicious but ruled an accidental fall down stairs, Calgary, 26/10/15, *Netflix*

[otto]

Just because the police have said he was cleared doesn't mean that is true. They say a lot of things as a means to protect the investigation. They want the suspect to think they are in the clear so they slip up.

True. However, in Canada, evidence is not released to the public before trial.

Here, we have quite a bit of evidence released to Unsolved Mysteries, including crime scene photos. Police have ruled out every potential suspect, every criminal possibility, and they want to know whether anyone knows something, no matter how small, that could move the investigation in a different direction from 'accident'. Unsolved Mysteries has resolved murders.

Police rarely declare that someone known to the victim is ruled out. Husbands are rarely ruled out. In this case, the husband has been officially ruled out after an extensive police investigation. His sister is also officially ruled out.

Several months after Amanda's death, the husband gave his sister's information to police. He wondered whether his sister was murderously angry after Amanda reported her young child to social services. The child was put into foster care, and the husband's sister was angry.

The husband's sister was a drug addict who was unable to raise a child, and she might have verbalized her frustrations to other drug users, who may have thought they were doing a good deed by pushing Amanda down the stairs. That's possible.

 

[otto]

If the husband wants compensation for his wife's death, he should consult a lawyer rather than rely on crowd-funding.

The statute of limitations for wrongful death in Alberta is 2 years. However, my understanding is that this death remains undermined. That's to the husband's advantage regarding 2 years time limit to from date of death to filing a wrongful death lawsuit. He can't file wrongful death until it is ruled accident.

It seems to me that a good lawyer could move this to an accidental death at the coroner's office, per police conclusions. The lawyer could then launch a wrongful death suit against the builder, architect and, if there is one, landlord. The stairs do not adhere to building code and are probably illegal. The only problem would be if the husband removed the railing.

This stair detail is not to code. The missing railing could easily have contributed to Amanda's death. There's a wrongful death claim to be made, particularly since Amanda was the breadwinner in the family.

 

[otto]

To me, the scene alone says that this was some sort of weird accident and not murder.

You have a bloody mess in the basement, but no footprints from a killer, and no other trace of a third party whatsoever.

You'd expect a killer to make sure she was dead, and not give her the opportunity to apparently stand up at the bottom of the stairs.

You'd expect more severe internal injuries, and for that to be the cause of death as opposed to external blood loss.

I think she was maybe having balance issues, struck her face, tumbled to the bottom of the stairs, and as a result, wasn't thinking clearly (like climbing the stairs for help).

I remember the Peter Porco murder case, where after being attacked in bed with an axe, he woke up and went through his morning routine, making lunch, writing a check, and doing the dishes when he finally succumbed.

His injuries were much more severe, and included massive brain trauma, but it wouldn't surprise me if her blood loss caused her to act irrationally.

According to police reports, she died between 7-7:30 P.M. She was on the phone at 7:06. At the bottom of the stairs, blood was smeared around the floor and on the lower parts of walls. It looks like she moved around a lot after crashing into the wall and tumbling down the stairs.

Peter Porco, hit in the head several times with an axe, slowly bleeding out, woke up for work, got dressed, was in the bathroom with a mirror, went downstairs, picked up the morning paper, was locked out, used the key to get in, was in the kitchen, put a cheque in the dishwasher. He followed routine habits. Amanda stood, facing the stairs, at the bottom of the stairs but couldn't navigate the stairs. She bled out quickly.

 

[FromGermany1]

If the husband wants compensation for his wife's death, he should consult a lawyer rather than rely on crowd-funding.

The statute of limitations for wrongful death in Alberta is 2 years. However, my understanding is that this death remains undermined. That's to the husband's advantage regarding 2 years time limit to from date of death to filing a wrongful death lawsuit. He can't file wrongful death until it is ruled accident.

It seems to me that a good lawyer could move this to an accidental death at the coroner's office, per police conclusions. The lawyer could then launch a wrongful death suit against the builder, architect and, if there is one, landlord. The stairs do not adhere to building code and are probably illegal. The only problem would be if the husband removed the railing.

This stair detail is not to code. The missing railing could easily have contributed to Amanda's death. There's a wrongful death claim to be made, particularly since Amanda was the breadwinner in the family.

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Amanda was the breadwinner in the family? That's interesting and perhaps important, IMO.

 

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Amanda was the breadwinner in the family? That's interesting and perhaps important, IMO.

Her husband couldn't keep a job, so Amanda started a house cleaning business to pay the bills.

She discussed some frustration about her husband with her brothers because he was fired from jobs.

 

[FromGermany1]

Her husband couldn't keep a job, so Amanda started a house cleaning business to pay the bills.

She discussed some frustration about her husband with her brothers because he was fired from jobs.

Thank you, verrry important to know!
PS: I would have had migraines in this case too ....! Migraines, which are re Amanda used for some innocent excuses now.
PS II: Did A have a "nice" accident insurance? Do we know it by chance?

 

[otto]

Thank you, verrry important to know!
PS: I would have had migraines in this case too ....! Migraines, which are re Amanda used for some innocent excuses now.

Per the Netflix show, his father had passed and his mother needed help sorting out estate paperwork. They planned to travel to Saskatchewan together to help his mother. Amanda developed migraine a day or so before the scheduled trip, so she decided to stay home. It was the first time they had been apart overnight since they were married in 2009.

Her brother was immediately suspicious of the husband because of the financial conflict in the marriage. I think he is still suspicious about his sister's death.

One thing we don't know is whether her parents provided some sort of financial gift at the time of marriage - something to help them set up house. What was the true nature of their finances at the time of her death? Was her husband due to inherit anything from his father's estate?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

One thing I keep wondering, and don’t believe have seen an answer to the question?

The call between the husband and AA - the one in which he heard something that interrupted and ended the call IIRC?

Did he initiate that call to AA? Or did she initiate that call to him?

Do we know the answer to that yet?

I continue to be perplexed that while far away from AA, the husband just happens to be on a call with her when all things appear to have happened. What do we often hear - there are no coincidences? MOO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Her husband couldn't keep a job, so Amanda started a house cleaning business to pay the bills.

She discussed some frustration about her husband with her brothers because he was fired from jobs.

I still wonder who funded the trip to San Fran with Lee, Amanda and her mother shortly before her death? I believe Lee went.

Maybe Amanda and her mom split costs? I would be resentful if had to pay my husband's way! And then Amanda does not accompany him to visit his family. I wonder who paid for Lee's trip to see his mom?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Amanda was the breadwinner in the family? That's interesting and perhaps important, IMO.

IIRC Lee posted a for himself quite soon after she passed. Maybe for funeral or living expenses, unsure.

I think link is broken and unavailable now. Maybe back in the old threads there's a screen shot of the write up used.

 

[FromGermany1]

One thing I keep wondering, and don’t believe have seen an answer to the question?

The call between the husband and AA - the one in which he heard something that interrupted and ended the call IIRC?

Did he initiate that call to AA? Or did she initiate that call to him?

Do we know the answer to that yet?

I continue to be perplexed that while far away from AA, the husband just happens to be on a call with her when all things appear to have happened. What do we often hear - there are no coincidences? MOO

bbm
.... and he didn't react according to the circumstances, IMO. He should have had someone check on his wife, a neighbor/a relative/a friend/police. He shouldn't have returned 44 hours later, but should have been worried immediately. Even if the marriage was not going well, he should not have been indifferent to the fact, that something inexplicable was happening in his house and with his wife during the last call. If the dogs were barking (before one of them yelping), he should have heard that too.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

One thing I keep wondering, and don’t believe have seen an answer to the question?

The call between the husband and AA - the one in which he heard something that interrupted and ended the call IIRC?

Did he initiate that call to AA? Or did she initiate that call to him?

Do we know the answer to that yet?

I continue to be perplexed that while far away from AA, the husband just happens to be on a call with her when all things appear to have happened. What do we often hear - there are no coincidences? MOO

Good question, maybe something LE only knows? Or someone on here might know, not sure if that was released.

Those 2 coincidences bug me too - first night apart and on the phone exact time of the incident (or so we think, that's what he says so not sure the actual truth).

 

[Lalalacasbah]

FWIW, I don't think Lee killed her but I think someone he knew took advantage of the opportunity of knowing he would be away for days and maybe even to protect him - as he indeed had an alibi and wouldn't get blamed.

Someone who knew all the intricate details of their lives and activities.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

bbm
.... and he didn't react according to the circumstances, IMO. He should have had someone check on his wife, a neighbor/a relative/a friend/police. He shouldn't have returned 44 hours later, but should have been worried immediately. Even if the marriage was not going well, he should not have been indifferent to the fact, that something inexplicable was happening in his house and with his wife during the last call. If the dogs were barking (before one of them yelping), he should have heard that too.

Exactly FromGermany! ….. Almost IMO too convenient of an alibi perhaps? And almost maybe an avoidance of encountering or discovery perhaps? Something just IMO seems odd or off?

I sure wonder if the husband was the one that initiated that ‘last’ call? And maybe other phones or communication devices were used? Or with others? I hope that investigators and authorities are not in any rush to close or move this case. Let it remain undetermined for cause and / or manner of death IMO. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

bbm
.... and he didn't react according to the circumstances, IMO. He should have had someone check on his wife, a neighbor/a relative/a friend/police. He shouldn't have returned 44 hours later, but should have been worried immediately. Even if the marriage was not going well, he should not have been indifferent to the fact, that something inexplicable was happening in his house and with his wife during the last call. If the dogs were barking (before one of them yelping), he should have heard that too.

Several questions in general:

- Why wasn’t the husband able to keep a job?
- If AA divorced him, what would he stand to lose?
- How did his life change after the accident? Does he live in the same house? Is he married? Is it better or worse than with AA?
- now, the banister might have not been there when the house was bought, or could have been removed later. Are there any photos of the area pre-sale?
- maybe the husband is uninvolved…AA was having headache and running around asking for the medication…who in the neighborhood was in the know that she was alone?
- Could it be simple? Someone sold her something, for the headache, she said she’d pay later, never did, the person got angry? “Business is business”.

 

[otto]

This doesn't make sense. I've known one or two people who genuinely suffer migraine and they are not driving and running errands. They are in a dark, quiet room not moving.

We know she had cannabis in her system. Was she looking for migraine medicine or to buy pot? If the latter, what are the chances that her suppliers would come forward? I think it's unlikely.

"Prior to her death, Antoni was suffering from migraines and it's believed she may have run several errands Friday and Saturday to local herbalists or pharmacies in search of treatment for the condition. She was driving a four-door, 2012, black Chevrolet Cruise."​

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[Lalalacasbah]

This doesn't make sense. I've known one or two people who genuinely suffer migraine and they are not driving and running errands. They are in a dark, quiet room not moving.

We know she had cannabis in her system. Was she looking for migraine medicine or to buy pot? If the latter, what are the chances that her suppliers would come forward? I think it's unlikely.

"Prior to her death, Antoni was suffering from migraines and it's believed she may have run several errands Friday and Saturday to local herbalists or pharmacies in search of treatment for the condition. She was driving a four-door, 2012, black Chevrolet Cruise."​

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Exactly! And also on her cell phone apparently with her husband a lot which some migraine sufferers say they would not be on a screen whatsoever with a migraine.

She said in texts her migraine was better before she died though, so she found relief sounds like (cannabis?)

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Several questions in general:

- Why wasn’t the husband able to keep a job?
- If AA divorced him, what would he stand to lose?
- How did his life change after the accident? Does he live in the same house? Is he married? Is it better or worse than with AA?
- now, the banister might have not been there when the house was bought, or could have been removed later. Are there any photos of the area pre-sale?
- maybe the husband is uninvolved…AA was having headache and running around asking for the medication…who in the neighborhood was in the know that she was alone?
- Could it be simple? Someone sold her something, for the headache, she said she’d pay later, never did, the person got angry? “Business is business”.

Hhhmm not sure all I can say on here that I read on public FB/comments, unsure if hubby is considered a POI... Sorry this is a long post. Mods, please snip if not allowed

- I saw a post from the current owner of the house who posted pics of what the stairs and basement look like now. She was approached by the Netflix show to film in the house. So husband does not currently live in the house. The current owner found it odd husband said he went down 4 steps and saw her as you can't actually see anything until you turn the corner on the steps 6 or 7 (IIRC), then you'd see where she was. However, he might've been traumatized and who counts steps anyways? Odd he said 4, I would've said I went down the stairs or some stairs... but maybe not in that state!

- His current FB profile shows motorcycles and him on one. Unsure if they are his, but one looks to be. I guess he made a public post for people to come out for his birthday back in January 2016 (less than 3 months) to Shanks Sports Grill. Nothing wrong with a birthday, maybe he was lonely. I don't think he's sophisticated enough to plan or be part of a murder plan.

- Good thought about neighbors or acquaintances who would know she's alone. Someone took this opportunity of the window of time (if murder)

- Unsure toxicology, not sure that's published or LE would release. Could be something of that nature, but I can't find any mention of anything like that really.

*Also to note: the G F M charity fundraiser page is still up! $940 raised.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Again mods, please delete or snip if this isn't allowed. I still get confused about what's allowed from FB or not. These are public posts and I can only see as public profiles and/or posts.
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A guy tagged Amanda with a heart emoji next to her name in public post from 2020, post is about addiction and falling into a hole unable to get out. He tagged her 5 yrs after she passed.

I think he's talking about himself as there is addiction/recovery references on his page. There seems to be some post dialogue between him and AA back in summer 2015 where she was encouraging him, pep talking him to stay strong and giving kind words of encouragement. He replied back a couple times how much he missed her. She posted a link on his post what looks to be a Love Serve Remember spiritual retreat that she said "saved her life".

MOO, I am not saying AA had addictions, she seemed to want to help those suffering and was a kind soul. A spiritual retreat could be for anyting. She seemed fun and free spirited so not surprised if she took this route if in a crisis or making big decisions about her life. No idea when or if she attended.

 

[otto]

Exactly! And also on her cell phone apparently with her husband a lot which some migraine sufferers say they would not be on a screen whatsoever with a migraine.

She said in texts her migraine was better before she died though, so she found relief sounds like (cannabis?)

Her migraine might have been better on Saturday, but she was driving around running errands on Friday and Saturday when her migraine was allegedly so severe she couldn't travel. I have doubts about the severity of the migraine, which leads to doubts about the reason that she did not travel to Saskatchewan with her husband.