CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #4

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Please continue here.

    Please remember not to name or sleuth innocent individuals.

    Thanks Everyone!

    Salem

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  3. No_Stone_Unturned

    No_Stone_Unturned New Member

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    Another new thread for Audrey!! You're terrific, Salem!

    :tyou::gthanks::yourock::gthanks::tyou:

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    ETA: Totally off-topic - but I'm trying to personalise my profile page. Let's face it, I'm NOT Hazel with computer abilities!!:D:bang::D
     
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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Given the pristine appearance of the exterior of AG's home and the surrounding grounds, it's hard to believe that a "hoarder" lived inside. Maybe it just wasn't "dutch clean".
     
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    I know what you mean - women are far too often judged by the appearance of our homes indoors. I believe that's why AG chose to visit with friends in the garage area.

    In fact, *I* often feel the very same way - fearful of unspoken judgements!

    :sweep:
     
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    when posting, got the message: Sorry, this thread is close!

    :christmastree::crush::cheer::loveyou::tyou: Salem!! :blowkiss:

    Thank you for finding this Stone. As I posted on thread #1, I had wondered if DSL's being arrested for having a knife had actually been a blessing for him, meaning that might have provided him with the best alibi, thus excluding him once the autopsy results were in.

    I have also been wondering why the murderer(s) closed the garage door on his/her/their way out -- one answer provided here was that perhaps the perp(s) wanted to delay A's body from being found, thus giving him/her/they time to get away. Did the perp(s) actually thought someone was going to drive up to Audrey's in the next 30 minutes or so? How long would it take for the murderer(s) to drive/run/walk away?

    IMO, closing the garage door has another purpose, :waitasec: but what could it be?
    • Could it be delaying the onset of rigor mortis? (We know the onset of rigor mortis is more rapid if the environment is cold). Why would the perp(s) want this? So the estimated time of death is pushed closer to the time of discovery?
    • Or they wanted the delay so the pathologist would not be able to pinpoint with exactitude Audrey's estimated time of death.
    What kind of DNA has LE recovered from the scene? So far I cannot recall LE mentioning 'semen' was found, so I'm thinking could it be possible DSL was ruled out because he was in custody when the crime was committed? If DSL was ruled out based on DNA, would that DNA that LE recovered came from semen? I would imagine LE would have already compared that DNA with PK's as well.

    I really REALLY hope LE does know when the attack took place, and have a good timeline of events. Pleas LE solve this case, and put the monster away for good!
     
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    Thinking of the garage door closed and the possible reasons for that suddenly brought an ugly picture to mind concerning ligatures attached to automatic garage doors...
     
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    Hi dotr: Sorry, but I'm not certain what you mean by the part I've done in BOLD!

    Do you mean AG could have been dragged/tied/ropes tightened when the garage door was closed after the killing. Oh dear.........:furious:

    Please confirm or explain further. :tyou:
     
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    My comments are within the quote!!
     
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    OMG :thewhip: dotr, you're not thinking again about bondage and stuff like that? that never crossed my mind....I really don't think the perp(s) would have needed to go to extremes in order to subdue an old lady with bad knees, that according to JH she seemed to be in pain when entering/exiting the elevator, that he held the elevator door for her. We've also read that she seemed out of breath or something about that :(

    As for closing the garage door, I hope PK would be here to clear that out for us, BUT as I already posted, IMO closing the garage door could have been done by just pressing a button on the keypad mounted outside the garage.

    Hmmm.....thinking about it, didn't PK already answered that question for us? Will go see if I can find something he mentioned regarding how to close the garage door from the outside.
     
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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Did the perp close the garage door without a conscious purpose, simply because that is what they always did?
     
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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    I can't find the pics right now, but does anyone recall that only one set of patio doors had tinfoil on them? IIRC, there were two sets of patio door facing the same direction (south, i think). If someone can link the pics that show both doors, i'd appreciate it.

    Thanks :)
     
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    I think this is it! Of course, it is open to interpretation :) my interpretation was and still is that it only takes a push of a button to close the garage door from the outside. So yeah, this is were I got the idea that the "keypad" might contain a 'close-door button".
    Let's see what other posters come up with....how do you guys interpret this to mean:
     
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    I remember that SB coz I made screenshots IIRC. Will see if I can find those images for you, will be right back...Found it!
    These 2 pictures below were taken from following VIDEO clip: http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/home/item/1669

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    more pictures of Audrey's house @ these links:

     
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    It's possible!!:doughboy:
     
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    HAZEL - :gthanks:

    You're a computer genius!! :)

    I'm still trying to fix up my profile page to make it prettier, kinder......with birds, of course!!:boohoo:
     
  18. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Thank you for the pics Hazel !!

    From JW's articles at:

    http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/594717--audrey-s-story-continues

    I find it odd that one would leave tinfoil up to "block the sun's rays" in December. If one wishes to "conserve power", you would want the warm rays of the sun coming in your window in the daytime.
     
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    My questions are... How do we know that the perp actually went in and out of the large garage doors that are hooked up to openers? and that they didn't just walk in/out that first door on the left of the pictures (brown one)? We know that PK used the opener to go in, but I don't remember hearing LE say that's the way the perp entered the home/garage.

    Thank you for the pictures Hazel!
     
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    Those are some answers I found on the net: I'm still laughing at justatho... 's answer :silly: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081210130428AAShLmR
     
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    Concerning the garage door, I was thinking in terms of a hanging - rope attached to door and raised than lowered as in a suicide as opposed to s and m.
     
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