Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

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  1. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    There’s no link to “the neighbour obviously didn’t see anything out of the ordinary...”. This is only your assumption. This neighbour is obviously not leading the investigation. For all we know TPS gathered dozens of hours of pertinent video from Dec 13th.

    Is there a reason it seems important to you to insist this woman didn’t hand over critical evidence? Regardless what was seen, security video of the driveway and entrance to the Sherman home on Dec 13th is very significant to the investigation.

    My reference to panned - “the view”.
     
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  2. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Personal, intimate, passionate desire.. So no romantic interests, whether known to each of the Shermans or not?
    Complete speculation, imo.
    June 14 2018 rbbm.
    WARMINGTON: Nothing but silence six months after mysterious Barry and Honey Sherman deaths
    "And despite there being dozens of security cameras in the area, there has been no surveillance images or video evidence released"
    "There are so many mysteries in this case but nothing is more mysterious as somebody being able to get in and out of the Sherman house, commit this heinous act without leaving any forensic or physical trail, avoiding getting caught on video and slipping away without a trace."
    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
    "Police found no evidence of a break-in, and the manner in which the Shermans were killed was personal, even intimate."

    "The official cause of death for both was “ligature neck compression,” meaning strangulation by a cord or belt—painful, terrifying, and indicating a passionate desire to see them suffer. Then again, the tidiness of the scene suggested the work of professionals."
    AUDIO, Bloomberg article.
    The Unsolved Murder of a Mysterious Billionaire, Read Aloud
     
  3. Lexiintoronto

    Lexiintoronto Well-Known Member

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    There are 9 entrances. They could have accessed the home at a point not within the scope of CCTV cameras.
     
  4. rickcross

    rickcross Active Member

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    Were any of those entrances compromised? I thought that the original theory was that the killer had to enter via the front door (lock box) or they had to have accosted one of the Shermans as they arrived home because there was no evidence that any of the entrances were forced? So if they didn't come in through the back, and the video didn't show anybody coming in through the front, how did they get in?
     
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  5. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    On WS, there have been numerous cases solved. It is always amazing in terms of what LE knows and did not reveal when we read the trial.
     
  6. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    I agree, most often what’s learned at the trial is a total re-set compared to prior theories. While LE never admits it, I’m certain during the investigative phase they intentionally mislead the public to put the suspect off guard. Smoke and mirrors, why not use it to their advantage.

    Just an example, in the tragic triple murder of the Likness couple and their grandson from Calgary, LE had video of the suspects green truck circling at night of the kidnapping/murder but for some reason they also asked everyone who had attended an estate sale earlier in the day to go to a community hall to provide a statement. Turned out attendees at the sale were not connected whatsoever but countless theories placed a possible suspect in the centre. Meanwhile a family member close to the victims ID’d the suspects green truck so LE didn’t really require the public’s assistance to ID it, even though it appeared so. My best guess, the photo of the green truck was deliberately released to rattle the suspect because prior to that, he had no idea he was seen.

    Which reminds me of the recent news of the security video with a View of the driveway and entrance in this particular case.
     
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    deugirtni Well-Known Member

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    1. "Were any of those entrances compromised?" - Unfortunately, police have not shared this information with the public (other than after a quick look after the bodies were found)
    2. "I thought that the original theory was that the killer had to enter via the front door (lock box) or they had to have accosted one of the Shermans as they arrived home because there was no evidence that any of the entrances were forced?" - That is assuming that the (only) information shared by police, which was on day#1 based on first-glance immediately following the discovery of the bodies, did not change after police had a chance to fully examine each entry and lockset from reportedly nine entrances. And what if one of those 9 entries was not locked and therefore wouldn't have required a 'forced entry'?
    3. "So if they didn't come in through the back, and the video didn't show anybody coming in through the front, how did they get in?" - We don't know that the killer(s) did not come in through the back; we also don't know if this neighbor's video has 'night vision' which would show what's happening in the dark. So therefore, wouldn't it be wide open as to how the killer(s) got in? Nine entries. Could have been pitch black at the time the killer(s) entered. Killer(s) could potentially have entered on a different day and hung out in the furnace room or some other unused room. Killer(s) could potentially have slipped in when B came home from the office one day when it was dark, and hung out in the garage. Imho, it would be wrong to close our minds to any possibilities, considering our lack of info - that is how things get discounted and/or missed. Hopefully police aren't discounting any possibilities!
     
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  8. MistyWaters

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    The Russian mafia has some sort a unique means of entering the home? Dropping from the sky maybe? I don’t know, this was your theory a day or so ago.

     
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  9. ldlager

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    As I posted before, cfrb radio in toronto, which originally aired the story, subsequently reported that the video was actually filmed a week or two before the murders, not after the murders
     
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  10. casesensitive

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    I am hopeful that LE have meaningful CCTV evidence to support their decision of double homicide. I have determined imho, that in most cases, LE will not release video to ask for public assistance when they have a viable suspect under investigation or surveillance. They tend to release video when they are desperate for leads, or have lost sight of the suspect. Maybe it's good news that they haven't released any CCTV's video and asked for public help, or maybe they don't have any relevant CCTV evidence to release. Isn't this fun trying to figure out what LE are working with? Hope we find out one day.

    In the case Misty noted, I do think LE needed to rule out all of the people who had been in the house for the "moving sale" day that turned out to be the day they were murdered. Even if they suspected the guy shown diving by in his truck, they had to check out every potential suspect to justify their own investigation of zeroing in on one person, and to preclude any defense in court that they didn't look at other possible suspects.
     
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  12. rickcross

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    Obviously, since nobody here seems to be able to come up with any kind of reasonable explanation as to how the killer actually entered the house, covert tactics were obviously used. I would suggest that a group like the Russian Mafia would do their homework. They'd know that there were cameras in the area, they'd know Barry usually came home later, they'd know about cameras in the neighbourhood, and they'd know what car Barry drove. They would Identify the weakest link in the security chain. Barry's car was old and likely had no security system. They likely knew that he parked in the garage and entered the house through the garage door. If I were going to get in to that house unseen I'd wait until most employees had left Apotex, use a slim jim to enter Barry's car and hide in the back, then overpower him once inside his garage.

    This certainly explains how the killer could enter the house without being seen and without any forced entry being detected. The only piece of the puzzle I can't figure out is how the killer left without being detected?
     
  13. ldlager

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    Some posters here would say that the killer never left the house.....
     
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    Some stuff I believe to be true,
    1) Real estate agents will often inspect a home alone if they have not seen it previously, prior to showing it to clients. A good agent wants to be familiar with the home prior to walking clients through.
    2) A good covert 'entry specialist', can get into almost any locked home with little or no signs of entry. Sometimes, as mentioned before, it is with the unknowing assistance of the victim(s).
    3) Having a key, makes entry even easier. If this murder was in the planning stages for some period of time, getting a key copied, would have been practical.
    4) TPS knows pretty well what actually occurred, and have a pretty good idea who was involved. By the fact they are not asking for help from the public, posting videos , having press conferences, and have not assigned a huge task force to the case, leads me to this conclusion.
    5) If some of those involved in this crime reside overseas, that would delay possible arrests, especially if Canada does not have an extradition treaty with a country. Here are some of the countries Canada does not have extradition treaties with.
    Afghanistan
    Algeria
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    Bahrain
    Belarus
    Bosnia and Herzegowina
    Bulgaria
    Burkina Faso
    Burundi
    China
    Costa Rica
    Croatia
    Djibouti
    Dominican Republic
    Egypt
    Georgia
    Honduras
    Indonesia
    Iran (Islamic Republic of)
    Iraq
    Jordan
    Kazakhstan
    Korea, Democratic People's Rep. (North Korea)
    Kuwait
    Kyrgyzstan
    Lebanon
    Libya
    Macedonia
    Moldova, Republic of
    Morocco
    Oman
    Palestinian National Authority
    Qatar
    Russian Federation
    Saudi Arabia
    Serbia and Montenegro
    Turkey
    Turkmenistan
    Ukraine
    United Arab Emirates
    Uzbekistan
    Venezuela
    Yemen
     
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    Is that what you believe?
     
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    Why would someone filled with massive abilities such as Russians do such a crime? They could have easily fixed a car to careen off into an accident.

    They could have givien Honey some kind of drug to have an illness that killer her.

    If they wanted to send a message, they could have killed them and sent a message to intended people that they would be next.

    No need for the drama
     
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  17. rickcross

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    Possibly they wanted information before they killed them? I agree with your thinking though. My question is whoever did this, why didn't they just put a bullet in their heads? Why such an elaborate setup?
     
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    Exactly.

    They had to know that no one was going to show up at the house that evening.

    It seems like someone who hates them and wants to humiliate them.
     
  19. rickcross

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    But who does that aside from the villains in the old Batman TV show? The murders were not efficient by any standard and I struggle to find any sort of comparable crimes.
     
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    That’s why I’m struggling to accept the sophisticated hitmen angle. Inefficient is a good descriptor.

    I think the Shermans may have known their killer(s). Access may have been gained by a knock on the door.

    It reminds me a little of the JBR case; the evidence doesn’t cleanly all fit one theory, and if/when the truth is revealed everyone would be a little surprised.
     
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