Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

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  1. casesensitive

    casesensitive Well-Known Member

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    BS's unfinished 1996 memoir manuscript revealed an intelligent,erudite, philosophical deep thinker. I feel that his value system, passions (hard work and making money) and outlook on life wouldn't change much over the next 20 years. But I sense that something significant may have happened within the 9 months leading up to his murder--something that changed his mind about his distribution of his estate.

    It might have been related to the Winter cousins' lawsuit. He realized that all the millions he gave to them meant nothing. Maybe he reflected on and worried that his own children would just feel entitled to his inheritance, and wouldn't follow his and Honey's duty to give back to the community, which was obviously very important to B and H.

    Irrespective of his plans to possibly change his will, there is no way that one (or more) of his kids orchestrated that horrific death of their parents. MOO
     
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    I have email updates set for this thread and it's working right now. Maybe whenever the thread is too big and a new one is started that I'm not getting an update.
     
  3. Tighthead

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    Apotex lawyers would likely be IP or commercial specialists. If you are drafting a will for a billion dollar estate with trust provisions you would need to be current and expert in that field. They would also not be capable of properly advising Barry.

    The retainer and privilege may also be problematic. They are not in private practice.
     
  4. ldlager

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    Perhaps. But the kids also have partners, spouses, other relatives, etc. It would be most interesting to see which of the kids if any weren’t in favour of hiring Greenspan. I would hate to think they were involved directly, but frankly they did stand to gain the most financially from these murders and I am sure LE is/has investigated this avenue accordingly.
     
  5. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Warren Buffet was an inspiration to Barry. Apparently Warren lives in a very very modest home.

    He is only leaving some kind of small amount to his children. Not sure what that means

    So the kids may have not got a lot. A lot to me perhaps, but in the scheme of things, maybe not so much to them
     
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  6. casesensitive

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    I agree, I'm sure LE investigated all family members. Wouldn't it be easier for a greedy person to kill them and stage a home invasion or botched robbery? Faking a murder/suicide scenario which involved gruesome deaths seems over the top. jmo
     
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    Interesting that he would gift different amounts to each of his children.
     
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  8. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    The reason Buffet is 'only leaving ...small amount' is that he has provided very generously for them while he has been alive. I learned this from reading his autobiography. His children will never want for anything.
     
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  10. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. I imagine the Sherman children are just fine and would not benefit that greatly from the death then
     
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  11. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Fwiw..
    Unrelated to this case despite the shared Winter name, posting this recent article as it pertains to the importance of establishing a couple's order of deaths in an inheritance battle.
    The case is considered "unusual" will keep an eye out for the findings.

    Family of couple locked in £300,000 inheritance battle as they ask judge to decide who died first | Daily Mail Online
    • "Anna Winter and Deborah Cutler in High Court to fight over a house and cash
    • John Scarle, 79, and his wife Ann, 69, were both found dead in October 2016
    • Their step-children want judge to decide who died first in rare inheritance fight
    • Case law not used since the 1950s and used to settle disputes in Blitz deaths "
    • "
    • The highly unusual case is the first of its kind in the UK since the 1950s - but were more common during the Second World War to settle inheritance disputes when families were all killed by the same bomb during the London Blitz."
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      The rare case centres on which of their parents died first - that will influence where the £300,000 inheritance ends up

    • Where is Honey Sherman’s will? | The Star
    "One of the intricacies of estate law is the “simultaneous death” situation, in which spouses die at roughly the same time (car and airplane accidents being the most common examples)."
    "Sources have told the Star that Barry’s will left everything to Honey if he died first; if she predeceased him, it divided the estimated $5-billion estate and control of Apotex between their four children, aged 28 to 43.

    In the hearing before Dunphy, Youdan said simply, “We do not know the order of death.” Due to the sealed file, the Star lacks the information to understand the relevance of this statement. However, death order is significant because, if Barry died first, his estate would flow to Honey, whose lack of a will could complicate how it is dealt with."
     
  12. Tighthead

    Tighthead Well-Known Member

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    I would be stunned if Barry’s will didn’t provide that Honey had to survive him for 30 days. That is a boilerplate provision.

    Also, in Ontario, if two people die at the same time or in circumstances rendering it uncertain which of them survived the other, the property of each person shall be disposed of as if he or she had survived the other per statute.

    As for Barry giving some of his estate away, I suspect some is in family trusts securing significant legacies and financial security for the children beyond what they have already received.

    Furthermore if Barry predeceased Honey (which seems unlikely based on rumour) and she died intestate as has been reported, the estate would still flow to the four children regardless. The biggest difference is that Barry’s named trustees would not necessarily have control. And again, this assumes no 30 day survival clause, which would be highly, highly unusual.
     
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    Another group of individuals who could benefit financially from the murders are any "non Barry" shareholders of Apotex (eg certain management employees). I don't know the terms of any shares they owned, or the rights attached thereto. But if they could only sell those shares at a certain future date; or to a certain party (e.g. Barry) or under certain conditions (like a sale of Apotex), then these shares would likely be illiquid, and perhaps couldn't even be pledged as collateral for personal loans, etc. By Barry being deceased, it would be fairly evident that the company would eventually be sold, thereby probably enabling these shareholders to monetize these shares. I wonder if Mr. Desai owned any shares in Apotex, and whether he still owns these shares?
     
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  14. Lexiintoronto

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    What if the killer is an extended family member and is named in Honey’s will. (or believed they were). If her children suspect this person, they may wish to protect the will.

    If the killers staged it to appear to be a m/s, maybe they expected all of Barry’s wealth to shift to Honey.

    With Barry as the murderer, the killer would be in a more sympathetic position to make a wrongful death claim, or a demand on the estate.
     
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  15. Tighthead

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    Who would be able to make a wrongful death claim outside of the children? Can you walk me through your thinking on that?

    Outside of a bequest, who would be in position to put a demand on the estate? It’s hard to imagine significant creditors.

    With the amount of money involved, and lawyers, I can’t imagine the children being complicit in hiding a will and perpetrating a fraud upon the court.
     
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  16. Lexiintoronto

    Lexiintoronto Well-Known Member

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    Mary Shechtman made a 300 million demand on the estate.

    If this was made to look like a m/s, with B being the murderer...

    As an example only: Honey’s sister Mary could claim loss of companionship, and financial hardship as Honey was her partner in real estate dealings. Honey suffered prior to death, that further impacts Mary’s suffering.

    (I’m a lab tech, no legal knowledge or grasp of the subject beyond common knowledge.)

    No, I’m not suggesting that anyone has defrauded the court. I said protect, I don’t mean cover or destroy. The efforts to seal the estate documents may be to protect the contents of Honey’s will.
     
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  17. Tighthead

    Tighthead Well-Known Member

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    Has she actually made a legal claim?

    Honey apparently promised the money.

    Honey didn’t inherit from Barry. It was all a spousal trust. Her estate would not have the capacity or legal requirement to pay it.
     
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  18. Lexiintoronto

    Lexiintoronto Well-Known Member

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    It’s all sourced information in the Star, not tested in court, so we don’t know.

    They had joint holdings, but we know at least the new home was in Honey’s name only.

    My point was if this was staged to look like a m/s I would think the ‘murderers’ estate might be open to claims from the victim’s loved ones. Eg: Mary.

    Not qualified to argue with you, stepping off here... : )



     
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  19. Lexiintoronto

    Lexiintoronto Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if this is a re-post—

    Just following up on BS’s business associate Frank D’Angelo.

    His restaurant has closed.

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    In looking for more information I found that the Star’s Kevin Donovan and uniformed police attended the 2018 premiere of D’Angelo’s movie.

    Sean Craig (@sdbcraig) on Twitter

    • Sean Craig
      @sdbcraig

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      Jun 21, 2018

      In attendance with and seated next to Frank D’Angelo at tonight’s Italian Contemporary Film Festival screening of THE JOKE THIEF (2018) is Toronto Star investigative reporter Kevin Donovan.

      Sean Craig
      @sdbcraig

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      Jun 21, 2018

      Frank, speaking to the theatre after the screening, dedicates tonight to the memory of his father and Barry and Honey Sherman.


      Sean Craig
      @sdbcraig

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      Jun 21, 2018

      Kevin Donovan is now holding court with Daniel Baldwin, something I could never have imagined typing.


      [​IMG]



      Jonathan Goldsbie
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      Jun 21, 2018

      Why are there uniformed police?Replying to
      @goldsbie
      There was a two man police detail in the theatre and now at Frank’s restaurant, the Forget About It Supper Club. I asked one of the officers why there was a detail: “Because he wanted one.”
     
  20. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Interesting!
    Could it be that FD'A is one of the people worried about personal security if details about the will ect. are released?
    speculation, imo.
     
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