CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #16

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I've suspected all along that the Shermans were murdered on the orders of a corporate competitor. If that's the case, we'll probably never hear the truth, at least not from "official" sources. The corruption in that industry is boundless, and the companies have deep, deep pockets.
 

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I've suspected all along that the Shermans were murdered on the orders of a corporate competitor. If that's the case, we'll probably never hear the truth, at least not from "official" sources. The corruption in that industry is boundless, and the companies have deep, deep pockets.

Interesting, I have not given that thought too much validity, these questions come to mind:

can you think of a reason why a corporate competitor hired killer would stage them in such a way and spend so much time in the home?
no reports the home was ransacked looking for anything?
And why Honey she had nothing to do with Apotex? if they wanted to get Barry that was easy to do before he got into the home, less chance of being caught as well IMO?

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IMHO, zero chance a competitor murdered BS and HS........... can someone point out one instance where a large western corporation has murdered someone intentionally?

it's either family, personal or business dispute (but not large corporation) or something BS was involved in that is not obvious to the naked eye or that BS perhaps stumbled into (selling pharma in eastern europe...... gawd knows who you deal with, and how)
 

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Wondering why one of the theories apparently considered by the friends and colleagues of the Shermans, was that they were murdered by Israeli-Russian gangsters?
Re post 2018 rbbm.
By Matthew Campbell

Who Killed the Billionaire Founder of a Generic Drug Empire?
''How could a couple at the peak of society, with all the security and confidence that great wealth afforded, come to such a horrific end?

''To the investigators who’ve been on the case for the past 10 months—the police and a team of private detectives hired by the couple’s four adult children—the crime presents a series of contradictions. Police found no evidence of a break-in, and the manner in which the Shermans were killed was personal, even intimate. The official cause of death for both was “ligature neck compression,” meaning strangulation by a cord or belt—painful, terrifying, and indicating a passionate desire to see them suffer. Then again, the tidiness of the scene suggested the work of professionals.
With little concrete information available, friends and colleagues have projected a tangle of theories into the void, speculating variously about the culpability of rival drugmakers, disgruntled ex-employees, and Russian-Israeli gangsters.''
 

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Protecting agreements and patents is done everyday in business, through the signing of non-disclosure agreements. To me the situation smacks of a whole different level of secrecy on the part of Apotex. Barry's and Apotex's business history of often pushing the limits of legality in some situations, makes one wonder what Apotex wanted to hide.

Here are a some MSM reports you might find illuminating, I think they offer proof of Apotex's past activities. On case was settled after Barry had died.
Generic Pharmaceutical Company Admits to Fixing Price of Widely Used Cholesterol Medication
Canadians kept in dark about defective drugs
$442 Million Fine Against Apotex for Plavix® Patent Infringement
To me, the cops weren't looking to necessarily remove information from the offices.. the building would've contained vast quantities of paper and hard drives. I believe they were interested in obtaining Barry's Blackberry, his desktop computer at work, and I forget what else. They could have immediately agreed to allow investigators/detectives, or just one, or just two investigators, to look into those devices while in the Apo building, while under the watchful eye of trusted staff, with perhaps stipulations put in place that there would be no photography without a lawyer and a trusted staff's permissions, etc. It would have taken many moons to read through paperwork such as patent info, pending lawsuits, and etc. They likely were more interested in simply seeing who were the last people that B communicated with, and what time was it, and what were the last communications with people closest to Barry, and was any GPS/cellphone data available, and look into more personal information.... at least at the very beginning of the investigation (they start with the most intimate parties and work out from there, right?).. and then if there turned out to be nothing there, it may have become a deeper dive into the less likely chance this was a corporate thing... imho.

Can you imagine if the people calling the shots as far as permissions to access Barry's phone and computer, were the same people wanting to hide something of a personal nature that perhaps investigators would've been interested in knowing and following up on? And those people made a to-do about it, under the guise of corporate secrets? When everything comes to light later, hopefully in a court of law, it will be interesting to know who was the chief instigator of those measures. Personally, with the support seemingly generated by the entire company, or people wanting it to appear that way, it seemed that it would've been more important to allow investigators to quickly cut to the chase to get leads on the case to find out what happened, rather than spending a month figuring out how to protect corporate privacy from a couple of detectives/forensic IT specialists.

I personally find it unbelievable to consider that any kind of a corporate assassination would have been carried out in this particular manner. Although it apparently/ supposedly took police six weeks to determine this was a double homicide, it seems it was only a matter of two weeks (max) for them to determine that, after they were allowed to start examining B's devices, and following up with people about whatever they may have found, etc. I wonder how much evidence disappeared in that one-month period, which can never be recouped? ie even in talking to people, memories fade with time, or things perhaps might change after people have a month to think about what to say, or deals could've been made to keep certain things quiet, etc. To me, it's kind of like cops rushing in to a potential crimescene looking for weapons, and they might happen to see a bunch of pot plants or something that they're really not interested in, in that instance. jmo.
 

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Interesting, I have not given that thought too much validity, these questions come to mind:

can you think of a reason why a corporate competitor hired killer would stage them in such a way and spend so much time in the home?
no reports the home was ransacked looking for anything?
And why Honey she had nothing to do with Apotex? if they wanted to get Barry that was easy to do before he got into the home, less chance of being caught as well IMO?

thanks
Bobbi Pearl
Agreed. It's not like the company is going to stop operating just because Barry is dead either. A corporate competitor would likely have had no accurate intel to rely on to indicate there was nobody else in the entire company who could do any of the things which B did. Better to perhaps have killed B and JK, or someone with enough knowledge to keep everything going, rather than killing B and H. imo.
 

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To me, the cops weren't looking to necessarily remove information from the offices.. the building would've contained vast quantities of paper and hard drives. I believe they were interested in obtaining Barry's Blackberry, his desktop computer at work, and I forget what else. They could have immediately agreed to allow investigators/detectives, or just one, or just two investigators, to look into those devices while in the Apo building, while under the watchful eye of trusted staff, with perhaps stipulations put in place that there would be no photography without a lawyer and a trusted staff's permissions, etc. It would have taken many moons to read through paperwork such as patent info, pending lawsuits, and etc. They likely were more interested in simply seeing who were the last people that B communicated with, and what time was it, and what were the last communications with people closest to Barry, and was any GPS/cellphone data available, and look into more personal information.... at least at the very beginning of the investigation (they start with the most intimate parties and work out from there, right?).. and then if there turned out to be nothing there, it may have become a deeper dive into the less likely chance this was a corporate thing... imho.

Can you imagine if the people calling the shots as far as permissions to access Barry's phone and computer, were the same people wanting to hide something of a personal nature that perhaps investigators would've been interested in knowing and following up on? And those people made a to-do about it, under the guise of corporate secrets? When everything comes to light later, hopefully in a court of law, it will be interesting to know who was the chief instigator of those measures. Personally, with the support seemingly generated by the entire company, or people wanting it to appear that way, it seemed that it would've been more important to allow investigators to quickly cut to the chase to get leads on the case to find out what happened, rather than spending a month figuring out how to protect corporate privacy from a couple of detectives/forensic IT specialists.

I personally find it unbelievable to consider that any kind of a corporate assassination would have been carried out in this particular manner. Although it apparently/ supposedly took police six weeks to determine this was a double homicide, it seems it was only a matter of two weeks (max) for them to determine that, after they were allowed to start examining B's devices, and following up with people about whatever they may have found, etc. I wonder how much evidence disappeared in that one-month period, which can never be recouped? ie even in talking to people, memories fade with time, or things perhaps might change after people have a month to think about what to say, or deals could've been made to keep certain things quiet, etc. To me, it's kind of like cops rushing in to a potential crimescene looking for weapons, and they might happen to see a bunch of pot plants or something that they're really not interested in, in that instance. jmo.

I agree with everything you said. A search warrant for the usual evidence necessary in a homicide investigation (BS's personal evidence) should be granted by a judge regardless of lawyers getting involved to prevent it. As you said, interested parties could have representatives on site to make sure that investigators only accessed and recorded matters concerned with their investigation. I'm sure this must have happened before-- when a warrant for a murder or serious crime was granted and executed under restrictions of privacy laws and opposing legal protests. You would think that a murder investigation would be more important than privacy laws.
 

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I wonder to myself if this type of thing that was happening towards the beginning, which perhaps came to light to the Sherman daughters later on, had anything to do with Alex and her husband's separation. If it so happened that it was the trustees voting on whether or not to allow the first month in the investigation to be wasted with legal wranglings about corporate confidentiality/privacy, I would imagine it would be tough being the daughter and learning about this and perhaps that your husband may have been involved with that decision-making. imo. In AS's shoes, I can't imagine how disappointing it would have been to learn about that. Nothing is to say that it wasn't AS herself who was causing the wranglings, but it's not the impression I am left with.
 

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I agree with everything you said. A search warrant for the usual evidence necessary in a homicide investigation (BS's personal evidence) should be granted by a judge regardless of lawyers getting involved to prevent it. As you said, interested parties could have representatives on site to make sure that investigators only accessed and recorded matters concerned with their investigation. I'm sure this must have happened before-- when a warrant for a murder or serious crime was granted and executed under restrictions of privacy laws and opposing legal protests. You would think that a murder investigation would be more important than privacy laws.

Would it be expected TPS should break the law? The terms under which a search warrant can be exhibited is always authorized through the Court, approved by a Judge. Otherwise whatever TPS might’ve potentially collected couldn’t be used as trial evidence even if it was incriminating as the search would be deemed illegal. The topic is beyond just an opinion, it’s a matter of legislated procedure. Fortunately or unfortunately, that’s just the way it is.

BBM

Toronto police clarify reports over 'persons of interest' in Barry, Honey Sherman case - 680 NEWS
“Court documents, reported by the Toronto Star, indicate due to a protocol by government lawyers and counsel for the late Barry Sherman’s firm Apotex, investigators weren’t initially able to look at things like Sherman’s blackberry or information on his office computer. Even things like post-it notes or his daily calendar were initially off-limits.

Instead, company lawyers had to give approval as legal privilege was provided because Apotex, a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company, argued many of Sherman’s documents were highly confidential and disclosure to third parties could result in financial harm to the company.

The Star reports the concept of legal privilege is increasingly an issue in many investigations. It is recognized by the Supreme Court and is not without precedent.

Barry Sherman’s electronic devices remained off limits for days after the Dec. 17, 2017 discovery of the crime scene. Police eventually gained access to Honey Sherman’s cellphone just three days later....”
 
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I wonder to myself if this type of thing that was happening towards the beginning, which perhaps came to light to the Sherman daughters later on, had anything to do with Alex and her husband's separation. If it so happened that it was the trustees voting on whether or not to allow the first month in the investigation to be wasted with legal wranglings about corporate confidentiality/privacy, I would imagine it would be tough being the daughter and learning about this and perhaps that your husband may have been involved with that decision-making. imo. In AS's shoes, I can't imagine how disappointing it would have been to learn about that. Nothing is to say that it wasn't AS herself who was causing the wranglings, but it's not the impression I am left with.

It takes a long time for trustees to a will to be approved by the court. It can take up to 2-4 months or longer for their application to be approved. I know this from experience in the past five years... it took five months. The trustees (including Alex's husband) would have no legal power to prevent a police investigation, and never would anyway as far as i can tell.

I know that the stress of experiencing a tragedy is a common cause of marriage failures. BS trusted that Alex's husband was worthy of being one of his trustees in his will. That would have been important to Alex knowing that her dad trusted him that much.

We don't know why they split up, but the reason was significant considering that there were very young children involved. It is easy to guess that it had something to do with the investigation, and her feeling betrayed later, which is obvious in her suspicion of her brother. It is easy to imagine that their marriage failure is tied to the TPS investigation and what info came out in time.
 

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Would it be expected TPS should break the law? The terms under which a search warrant can be exhibited is always authorized through the Court, approved by a Judge. Otherwise whatever TPS might’ve potentially collected couldn’t be used as trial evidence even if it was incriminating as the search would be deemed illegal. The topic is beyond just an opinion, it’s a matter of legislated procedure. Fortunately or unfortunately, that’s just the way it is.

BBM

Toronto police clarify reports over 'persons of interest' in Barry, Honey Sherman case - 680 NEWS

I was stating that unfortunately, murder investigation warrants were denied and are considered less important by the court, due to any opposition from other parties, because of existing laws. TPS's hands were tied. This should never have happened, but it did and it will continue.
 

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I've suspected all along that the Shermans were murdered on the orders of a corporate competitor. If that's the case, we'll probably never hear the truth, at least not from "official" sources. The corruption in that industry is boundless, and the companies have deep, deep pockets.
Interesting theory. So, in your scenario, the bizarre staging and means of death would be intended to suggest the killer(s) had a close. personal motive whereas in fact none existed beyond the corporate?
 

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Here is a thought to consider.
Understand that Barry Sherman, Apotex, the family and the businessess were closely interelated. What if Barry wanted to do something at Apotex that others did not, or more significantly.................
What if Barry discovered somebody at Apotex was doing something that he was not previously aware of and/or Barry did not approve of.
Barry would then likely commence action to stop this project from going forward.
Now somebody did not want Barry to stop this project.
We now have a motive!

Since the perpetrators are concerned that Barry's Apotex files may have some record of this project and Barry's disdain for it, the Perps would not want the TPS to discover this infomation. Reason to stall the TPS investigation.

What kind of activity could this have been?
Example. What if somebody in Apotex was selling opoids to criminal organization and profiting personally. What if this person had a close relationship with Barry, so as Barry would not want to involve Law Enforcement. Barry just wanted it to stop. Now the criminal organization would not be happy, neither would the person profiting from the sales. The person with the close relationship to Barry has easy access to Barry's house, the criminal organization has the muscle.

MOO
 

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Here is a thought to consider.
Understand that Barry Sherman, Apotex, the family and the businessess were closely interelated. What if Barry wanted to do something at Apotex that others did not, or more significantly.................
What if Barry discovered somebody at Apotex was doing something that he was not previously aware of and/or Barry did not approve of.
Barry would then likely commence action to stop this project from going forward.
Now somebody did not want Barry to stop this project.
We now have a motive!

Since the perpetrators are concerned that Barry's Apotex files may have some record of this project and Barry's disdain for it, the Perps would not want the TPS to discover this infomation. Reason to stall the TPS investigation.

What kind of activity could this have been?
Example. What if somebody in Apotex was selling opoids to criminal organization and profiting personally. What if this person had a close relationship with Barry, so as Barry would not want to involve Law Enforcement. Barry just wanted it to stop. Now the criminal organization would not be happy, neither would the person profiting from the sales. The person with the close relationship to Barry has easy access to Barry's house, the criminal organization has the muscle.

MOO

interesting theory. production and inventory at pharma production plants are closely monitored and tracked, for obvious reasons, certainly in North America anyways.
There was only one executive with sufficient direct authority over Apo’s foreign manufacturing to potentially be involved in such a scheme, either alone, or in collusion with others. That individual was JD, who we know left the company within days of the murders. But I do not believe this scenario is likely. I believe they were killed by someone close, Someone that hated them, and it was not business related. Moo
 

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It takes a long time for trustees to a will to be approved by the court. It can take up to 2-4 months or longer for their application to be approved. I know this from experience in the past five years... it took five months. The trustees (including Alex's husband) would have no legal power to prevent a police investigation, and never would anyway as far as i can tell.

I know that the stress of experiencing a tragedy is a common cause of marriage failures. BS trusted that Alex's husband was worthy of being one of his trustees in his will. That would have been important to Alex knowing that her dad trusted him that much.

We don't know why they split up, but the reason was significant considering that there were very young children involved. It is easy to guess that it had something to do with the investigation, and her feeling betrayed later, which is obvious in her suspicion of her brother. It is easy to imagine that their marriage failure is tied to the TPS investigation and what info came out in time.

It was reported many months ago the two had separated. The grieving process of losing both parents at once especially to a violent death could’ve been a contributing factor in itself. Most everyone who’s suddenly lost someone close to them will say it’s an indescribable emotional roller-coaster for quite awhile.

But from that media report I don’t think we can assume a permanent non-reconcilable marriage breakdown had occurred. For all we know they’ve since overcome their difficulties and are back together. If so it’s probably the case they don’t feel the need to announce it to the media as they’ve never portrayed themselves as public figures. Everyone they know personally is who matters.
 

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Toronto-based developer makes new offer for Beacon Hall Golf Club

I wonder how much of the money that BS worked his whole life to accumulate is behind this offer? AP is a partner in the Harlo business, and he appears to have virtually unlimited and unexplainable Influence over JS, for whatever reason.

I searched for a follow up about the golf club purchase offer by JS’s Harlo company, but didn’t find one. I did find that a previous offer for the golf course took a treacherous turn last year:

“York Regional Police has been called multiple times since a $250-million bid for the club and its lands by a Vaughan housing developer was leaked.”
Beacon Hall receives bomb threat as potential sale turns nasty

Anonymous emails were sent about allegations against board members and a bomb threat was called in.
 

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Dr. M.Pollanen, the Chief Forensic Pathologist for Ontario is back in the news. Allegations against Dr. Pollanen haven't been proven in court, but his credibility has been tarnished by a scathing admonishment of his testimony in court by a judge.

The first autopsies of the Sherman's were performed by one of his staff, and obviously approved by him. (Undetermined manner of deaths). Dr. Pickup who performed the autopsies had considered murder, but signed off as "undetermined'. But he obviously felt the need to attend the second autopsies to provide Dr. Chiasson with photos to assist him. I thought his effort to help Chiasson find the evidence of manner of death was something he did with Pollanen's approval. Pickup is still employed with the forensic unit. Is it possible that Dr. Pollanen was initially influenced/pressured by TPS to not consider a double homicide as a manner of death? I have to assume that he agreed with Chiasson's results, because TPS would never have announced a double homicide based on Chiasson's report. jmo

Sources say Pickup saw indications that it might be a case of double murder. However, Pickup did not make that ruling. Neither Pickup or his boss, chief forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Pollanen, would discuss the case with the Star, citing provincial privacy rules.
How the investigation into the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman turned from murder-suicide to double homicide


Pollanen's credibility under fire:
The Hamilton coroner who filed a complaint against Dr. M. Pollanen in 2019 is now seeking a
a judicial review of Ontario’s Death Investigation Oversight Council’s (DIOC) handling of her complaint, alleging that it failed “to perform the function entrusted to it by the Ontario legislature” to ensure accountability. Turner alleges that Pollanen deemed the baby’s death a result “of child abuse,” even though the evidence did not support that conclusion, and that he “manipulated” an independent review committee “to pressure her into changing her decision.” She claims that Pollanen’s alleged interference came after his credibility was “badly damaged” in a scathing superior court ruling months earlier.

He was brought in to fix Ontario’s forensic pathology system. Now he’s accused of ‘strong bias’ in investigating a baby’s death

"This interference not only impacts the forensic pathologists subordinate to him, but also the outcome of death investigations," she alleges.

She claims he "sought to impose his conclusions on reports without due regard to the evidence acquired."

She accuses him of using "fear and intimidation to ensure his views were carried through," creating a "toxic culture in death investigations in Ontario."

She alleges he unfairly discredited and disciplined pathologists who had differing views than his on cases.

Shutting down Hamilton forensic pathology unit 'could be rooted in revenge': NDP leader

He was brought in to fix Ontario’s forensic pathology system. Now he’s accused of ‘strong bias’ in investigating a baby’s death

In a case that parallels a scathing judge’s decision about Ontario’s chief forensic pathologist two years ago, Dr. Michael Pollanen has been accused of interfering in the work of the province’s other forensic pathologists, pressing them to change their findings in suspicious deaths and undermining those who disagree with him.
Christie Blatchford: 'Bullying' Ontario chief forensic pathologist accused of interfering with cases | National Post
 

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Posted an hour ago...
May 14 2021
‘New information’ discovered in Barry and Honey Sherman murder case from previously interviewed witnesses
''People interviewed by Toronto homicide detectives in the early days of the Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe have recently handed over new information “previously unknown to investigators,” according to police documents filed in court.

The people — police have not identified them or said what they revealed — provided the information to detectives after the release of Sherman police files last December in response to a Toronto Star challenge of sealing orders on police search warrant documents.''
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‘New information’ discovered in Barry and Honey Sherman murder case from previously interviewed witnesses
 
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