Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

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  1. DarkSkink

    DarkSkink Active Member

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    It makes a difference if you get a single finger in the right spot, or tear the ligature in a semi-conscious, adrenaline induced state.
     


  2. DarkSkink

    DarkSkink Active Member

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    Rich men often have female partners that make you think to yourself, "What on earth does SHE see in HIM???"

    Rich men are often targeted for marriage, children, false accusations etc. It's about the money.

    Several articles even describe Honey's quest for a rich man, "... and at the urging of her mother, she once told a magazine writer, she volunteered at Mount Sinai hospital to meet a nice Jewish doctor."

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ter-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman
     
  3. kay74

    kay74 Former Member

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    A person commits suicide for two reasons, they are distraught or in a fit of rage. In each scenario no one is going to have the patience to put each of their bodies in this position and with jackets the way they were. In such state of mind, I cannot see anyone putting out a scene like that. IMOO
     
  4. FastLikeLight

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    Not true!
    The information is available at www.aboutmyproperty.ca Though you must have a property in Ontario, to have an account.
    The former house ( 91 Old Forest Hill Rd. ) built year was 1928; value assessed ~5.7M. Sales Indicator: 2016 Nov. The property tax will be a percentage from that value. Though, it depends from town to town, from city to city.
    https://www.toronto.ca/services-pay...ies/property-tax/property-tax-rates-and-fees/

    If you think someone is avoiding paying taxes, then you call crime stoppers ;)
     
  5. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    :thinking:

    Ottawa sticks with July 2018 deadline to legalize pot despite provincial worries
    June 19, 2017

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    Trudeau Rules Out Canada Day For Marijuana Legalization
    December 20, 2017

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  6. DarkSkink

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    And others find it rude and arrogant to tell people what they are thinking, rather than hearing what they are saying.

    What if they are truly being honest? You are then doing them, and yourself, a disservice by wrongfully, and selfishly dismissing them as "arrogant", rather than hearing their point.

    Typically, honest people are dismissed as "arrogant" when they make a valid point the "dismisser" disagrees with. Typically, the "dismisser" can't simply refute the honesty, because it is the honest truth.

    They then resort to tactics such as dismissive labelling.
     
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    Being nice for the sake of being nice is not being honest. I think the solution is to express yourself objectively and honestly in a respectful way. I for one prefer someone who is honest, rather than someone who is a hypocrite and who pretends to have certain beliefs and attitudes when they really do not.
     
  8. AllyJane

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    Unless the police have seen a video of the event happening or confirmed a note verifying in one of the victim's handwriting, there is no concrete evidence from day one. Police have to go through various scenarios and theories and, from my experience with them, the first one is not always the correct one until they have completely investigated the premises and autopsy results. While sources may have had the theory of murder-suicide, the did so before interviewing family, friends of coworkers. After that source saying the MS theory, evidence came out about the fact that the Shermans had a lot of near future plans including a daughter's wedding and going to Florida. That is evidence as well. And we have not heard of any previous violence or animosity between the Shermans yet. I am not saying their life was perfect but if they had no recent history of issues, then motive for a murder suicide is questionable. I am not saying that it is impossible but makes it less likely.

    Of course the children are going to want the image of their parents to be positive but how do you know that they don't have valuable information to the case. Assuming that because the children don't live with the parents is no indication on how close they were or weren't.

    So many pieces of conflicting information is out there (no security cameras, camera in the pool area turned off, etc) that is it is very difficult for the public to know which is true to base theories on or which is not.

    Does anyone know if there was an open house or showings prior to the deaths? Do we know if any previous staff members were fired? Do we know any connections of the current staff ? All these can help explain how someone can get access to the home with out a break in or know the layout of the house to plan a murder.

    Someone previously brought up an interesting point about why the bodies were taken upstairs to remove them from the front door instead of the garage which was next to the pool. I am not sure if anyone confirmed if there was outdoor access from the pool to the garage or other outdoor area. If so, it is interesting that they would take the bodies upstairs to remove them hinting that the other crime scene may be the garage.

    JMO
     
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    I was shocked at the amount of changes they were allowed in terms of setbacks, driveway lenghts, lenghts of the structure. Lots of giveaways. Not just one change
     
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    I apologize. I found a couple of permits too
     
  11. anonypotomous

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    I never said anything about hypocrisy, or about people being nice for the sake of being nice. I appreciate people being honest as well, I’m sure most folks do. I was talking about people who are rude and arrogant.


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    Oh boy. I must not have conveyed my post well. It’s not that deep [emoji23] Did I strike a nerve?

    I’m talking about people I myself KNOW are rude and arrogant. Not simply dismissing decent people for their honest point of view.




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    From the little we do actually know, there had to be something very glaring to make LE jump to that conclusion right away.

    Two rich old people hanging from a rail isn't going to make one think "murder/suicide". Quite the opposite actually.

    It wasn't really until the family publicly complained that LE clamped down and began an increasingly intense investigation. Given the Dellen Millard murder charges after his father's death initially being ruled a suicide, and given the Sherman's wealth and political connections, it seems like LE was a little slow to recognize the potential legal hot potato they were holding, and then overreacted to the realization.

    If they are searching the sewers a *full week* after the bodies were found, that would hint at bumbling rather than great police work if there was some early indication of a third party committing murder. This stinks of going through the motions, placating, and butt covering.

    The optics for LE on this one are no win. Do they investigate this thoroughly for everyone? Or just those who are fundraisers for political parties? Do they search the sewers within a few block radius when they find a murdered prostitute?

    I went a bit astray from your point.

    Your observation about avoiding the garage is a clever one if that was the easier route out. They may have also been trying to avoid prying eyes and pictures.
     
  14. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    It's just about deeper thought and more meaningful communication. You KNOW they are arrogant and rude? To others, they may be insightful.

    Even your best case scenario, they may be rude and arrogant, but they may also be making a valid, and correct point. Communication is communication. Personal judgements about tone, reputation, motivation or otherwise should come secondary to the message conveyed.

    Should someone discover the cure for cancer, or solve the mystery of this case, how they come across when they convey it to others doesn't somehow make what they are saying incorrect or wrong.
     
  16. DarkSkink

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    What about the recent spate of suicides on video? Some go through very elaborate staging and explanations.

    What about mass killings before the ultimate suicide? The Las Vegas mass killer went through quite a process to stage that scene, allegedly scoping out prior public gatherings and slowly acuiring weapons.

    Although there are commonalitites, every individual will put their individual touch into their own ending. BS was apparently thorough, meticulous, hard working and driven to get things done. Would the layout of this scene not resemble and require those very traits?
     
  17. Wyle_E_Coyote

    Wyle_E_Coyote Northern Virginia

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    Agree, a great many suicidal people do a lot of planning. Lyle Stevick, the Annandale VA cemetery Jane Doe, the census worker Bill Sparkman, Illinois police officer Joe Gliniewicz, the Michigan PhD student Xin Rong who rented a Cessna and jumped out sometime before it crashed in Canada, Rita Maze who called her family and told them she had been kidnapped and put into the trunk of her car. A lot of people meticulously plan out their suicides.

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    I agree, too many minor variances but money talks. A very nice home in the works though. Well, with permits, it will sell easily. JMO
     
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    Well I can't compare this with terrorists or these videos. Barry was old and to do this to a wife he was married to for years on end and being 75 it's hard to imagine him going through this. I think he would be too old and tired. MOO
     
  20. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    Merry Christmas everyone....

    :fireworks:
     
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