Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #5

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    https://www.cp24.com/news/pharma-gi...-barry-and-honey-sherman-found-dead-1.3723714
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    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...apotex-founder-barry-sherman/article37348222/
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    I agree, if markings on the wrists is the only reason Klatt; et. al believe there is evidence of a professional hit/contract killing. His team is experienced and should know better than that. Personally, I'd view the wrist ties and belts as indications of premeditation, but not necessarily a professional hit.

    Contrary to current consensus, I see no evidence so far that the Sherman double homicide was done by professional hitmen.

    I wonder whether the unusual method of restraining the victims with their coats might have been misinterpreted as some kind of professionalism? IMO, its the kind of thing a bar-room bouncer or schoolyard bully would do.
     
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    JDG, About the lockbox. I'm too lazy to go back over the posts, but it has been said they had a lockbox so I assumed they did. If they did not, great.
     
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    How do we no there is no succession plan in place for the business? There is a President or CEO. It’s not like Apotex was a one person operation.
     
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apotex-barry-sherman-succession-1.4462150
     
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    No problem. Thanks for the reply. Seeing as we're on thread 5, its not lazy to not bother. lol IMO

    As per ^^^ post, thanks, it was Brian Greenspan surmising. I remember having a very close look at both the door and the realtors sign.
    Pretty certain it was an exclusive listing. IMO

    I think Mr. Greenspan was throwing out 'ideas' that are possible, same as TPS threw out 'ideas' of crime scene before having autopsies. IMO

    If there was a lock box, why did the realtor go around to set up a showing? Obviously, she needed to clear it all with Honey/Barry before showing the house. IMO

    Thank you BUF.
     
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    Sometimes with large houses, or ones with lots of features, the listing realtor will be there for the showing. They can give a guided tour with a little more salesmanship than the purchasers’ realtor. Some clients also want their realtor there at all times. A property like this isn’t going to be shown too frequently, and with a juicy commission it’s no hardship for the listing agent to do all the showings.
     
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    IIRC, there were also some early articles saying that the realtor was trying to get a hold of the Shermans, and the realtor went there to get ready to do an open house when the bodies were discovered. News changes...just like now it has been reported that the maid was with the realtor when the Shermans were discovered...so who knows what the real story is.

    I would assume the lockbox was immediately taken off when the discovery was made.
     
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    I’d have thought the family would have released a new statement by now.
    If the latest information is correct I can see why the police initially thought murder/ suicide, if they found a pool of blood elsewhere and Honey with facial injuries large enough to produce that much blood and Barry with no visible injuries.
     
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    Agree about the coat sleeves thing. Have seen high school kids do this during a fight.
     
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    Christie Blatchford:
    Private investigators in Sherman case share police penchant for leaks
    If it wasn’t a story so irredeemably sad and awful, it might be funny. Instead, it’s merely rich with irony


    Full article: http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...-sherman-case-share-police-penchant-for-leaks
     
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    Hi Tighthead, Reuters had an article on it and I remember seeing similar headlines from other publications as well. Reuters’ reliability is pretty good, so I believed the headline to be correct. Looking at the link provided by dotr, the article about the robust succession plan came out the following day.

    https://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCAKBN1EF2YF-OCABS?utm_source=34553&utm_medium=partner
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    December 21, 2017 / 2:28 PM / a month ago
    Re-reading it now, further down in the article Apotex’s response by email is contradictory to the headline and I either skipped it or discounted it back then. My bad.
     
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    This is true for a lot of homes, not even just large or exclusive listings. Some listing agents are really personable. I remember when my parents we selling our home, our listing agent always confirmed showings through us so we could prepare, make plans for the day, etc. and she was always present for those showings. This was a very modest home in the Toronto area as well. She was just a nice, wholesome realtor, and that's the relationship she had with my parents.
     
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    That's normal. Sometimes the owners give their schedule (basically saying - you can come during this time of day without advance warning), but usually there isn't a showing unless it's confirmed with the owners first. The realtor doesn't want the owners to be home, eating dinner or something when the potential buyers come by.

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