Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

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  1. Grey-St

    Grey-St Well-Known Member

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    Dr. Chaisson would have been hired to perform an examination and autopsy, and report the findings to the PI team. People hired to do such things, must remain unbiased, whether they are hired by the province, or privately. It's the only way such evidence and findings will hold up in court, or be legitimate in any way. It would be sooo messy if "let me know what you find to support M/M" were to be said when they were hired.

    As deugirtni also said, I totally get having a critical eye when following these cases. I myself am always wearing that hat when analyzing statements and stories and plots. It's important to read between the lines and pay attention to the details and nuances of a case. But on this point, I have faith in the private team. I just can't believe that any of them would risk their careers, profession, legitimacy and reputation on corruption. These are extremely experienced professionals, in fact, more experienced than the LE team. I believe they want to get to the bottom of the truth.

    To add to that, the information just makes more sense to me. It fits. I pay no mind to the fact that the family felt they had to hire their own team. That doesn't make the findings false. They did what they had to do after being disappointed by the LE teams premature narrative. I would have done no different if I had the means.
     
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    Grey-St Well-Known Member

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    Sorry KW, but I just don't believe that. The team was hired to get to the truth after the family was disappointed in LE and thus lost trust in them. I don't really see any smoke and mirrors there.

    Why do folks think we are entitled to constant updates? TPS is investigating an extremely complex case. When they have something worth reporting publicly, they will.
     
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    Because that's what makes the most sense. Everyone on the private team is an experienced professional. What doesn't make the most sense, is that this is some large scale conspiracy or corruption, involving everyone from investigators to all levels of political officials.

    JMO though.
     
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    I would certainly think that all investigators have more information on this case than your or I.
     
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    In today's climate, TPS seems to get a lot of things wrong.

    In any sense, their "theory" was leaked. They never once made a statement that they whole heartedly believed this was a M/S. They spent many months investigating. Would they have done so if they firmly believed this was M/S from the beginning? Or would they have made that finding and closed the case?
     
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    Lexiintoronto Well-Known Member

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    I hope in the hours that WS is offline the Sherman loved ones get the answers to their questions.

    Thank you to everyone here for shedding light on the case!
     
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    I think its important to recognize that when a family asks for a private autopsy, they are NOT 'bribing' someone to tell their hoped for outcome. They are simply double checking, against or conferring with the coroners autopsy. Its no different, to me, than getting a second opinion before a major surgery.

    In this kind of horrific murder, any family who could afford it, likely would do this. MOO
     
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    I agree. The fact that the first pathologist cooperated and shared information (crime scene photos) with the family hired pathologist is noteworthy, imo. These are both professional, forensic specialists and their main goal was to find the truth. It is apparent that the Chief of Forensic Pathology came to the same conclusion as the second pathologist and was bound by duty to report this to LE.
     
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    RBBM. Actually, with respect casesensitive, I do not think that is necessarily the case. What we do know is that the first pathologist did not conclude or determine that both were murdered after he performed the first autopsy. He may or may not have changed his mind after the second autopsy, we don’t know that. What we also do know is that based on the evidence collected by LE, including perhaps evidence collected by the PI team, they announced a MM. it is possible that evidence other than the results of the second autopsy could have led them to that conclusion.
     
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    Yes, there is more evidence besides the autopsies, as noted by the lead detective in her press video. (eg outstanding persons caught on surveillance video in the neighbourhood). But I think Dr. Pickup's boss, the Chief of Forensic Pathology would have to agree with Dr. Chiasson's results for LE to wholly accept MM. She did mention and give credit to the extensive partnership with the forensic agency. JMO
     
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    IMHO ldlager got it right.

    IMHO casesensitive, it is NOT apparent, quite the contrary. Otherwise, we would all be agreeing here.

    The second autopsies by the hired ME and consequent conclusions took place and were made the same day, December 20th.

    Like ldlager well said, the first ME may or may not have changed his mind after the second set of autopsies by the hired ME. We don't know that.

    However, the TPS investigations continued well into January 2018, considering Honey as the ONLY victim.

    The TPS learned about the PI's conclusions at the same time as the public, by reading the news article on the Toronto SUN, by Joe Warmington, January 19, 2018.

    Subsequently, on Monday January 22, the TPS interviewed with the second pathologist.
    We don't know who else was present during that interview, possibly the whole "oldies team," maybe the family, maybe the first pathology, we just don't know.

    What we do know is that at that point in time, the Private hired team had not set foot in the house.

    Anyone remember when the crime scene (Old Colony house) was released to the hired Private Investigators? IIRC it was the date the earring piece was found, which for many, that finding came off as another preemptive measure. JMHO

    When were the toxicology test results available? A complete Timeline of Events would be so very useful. :)
     
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    By the way, if memory serves, the family first hired the lawyer, Dr. BG.

    He in turn hired the 3 detectives (not sure if all three are ex-investigators, retired).

    Not sure if it was the lawyer or the investigators who in turn hired the second pathologist.

    Maybe someone can explain why hire the lawyer? It's not like he could conduct any investigations.

    Kind of intimidating, no? It's even quite intimidating posting opinions and theories here, even if they are based on the few facts we have learned. JMHO
    Are we posters going to get in hot water if we don't blindly accept, and keep asking questions? :pcguru:

    :truce:

    :escape:
     
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    Message for deugirtni:
    Found these that you can add to your awesome Timeline.
    Still so many more dates to add, like for example:
    When was Honey's car towed/removed from the driveway?
    When was Barry's car towed away from the underground garage?
    All these events' dates paint a clearer picture when put together in a Timeline.
    As I said already, perhaps there is a good reason why things were done this way, but until we learn more details, so far it's hard to see the reason, other than they were thinking m/s up until that interview on Jan. 22. JMHO.




    Jan. 26, 2018 (Friday)
    Private investigators takes over at the Toronto home of Barry and Honey Sherman.

    Jan. 26, 2018
    LE's press release announcing MM.

     
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    Frank is an interesting character to say the least. He had a brewery and juice company that he promoted heavily, in fact he spent more money on advertising than the company earned. He went bankrupt and lost everything.

    Frank was heavily indebted to Barry Sherman. I believe Barry's son owns and runs the juice company now. Barry appeared to like Frank and remained friends. I do not know how they became initially involved together.

    Frank, went into film production, and produced some 'mafia genre' films. I am not sure Barry was involved in the financing of these films. They were artistically, creatively and commercially awful!

    Frank, has been on TV speaking about Barry. Frank could know things that might be relevant to what happened in my opinion.
     
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    Do you know if FD is Jewish? If he is, maybe that's how they got to know each other?
    I read recently that a Canadian actress that worked on many of his movies, died in California. When googling, I found his twitter account, he was quite devastated about her passing. Scrolling a bit down, read that his father had passed too, sometime at the beginning of this year, so perhaps that's why we haven't heard of him anymore.

    I never watched any of his movies, were they that awful? I only watched bits and pieces of his TV show, and I do like some of his songs, like for example "Dreamer" even if I don't like Jazz at all, I like that song, lol. And I do believe that Barry Sherman was a producer of some of FD's movies.

    In an interview last December, he said he had talked to BS on the phone days or weeks before his demise, so it seems they were in good terms, and were friends.
     
  16. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Lengthy, never posted article.
    https://www.thestar.com/news/2007/11/04/the_ballad_of_frank_dangelo.html
    Nov 4 2007
     
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    http://torontosun.com/news/crime/wa...partner-knew-from-day-one-couple-was-murdered
    January 27, 2018
     
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    Thanks Windsor. Barry financed the films for sure. They certainly had an unusual relationship, but they were/are unusual characters. By all accounts, FD owed Barry a bunch of money, related to several ventures (I hesitate to call them business ventures). How much of it was documented I don’t know. What I find so unusual is FD took every chance he had to speak out to whoever would listen about the death of BS, how he was his best friend, etc. Suddenly, when the investigation starts in earnest, he is nowhere to be found. Has someone (his lawyer perhaps?) told him to shut up? In the interim, I can’t help but suspect that the Sherman children and/or their advisors have cut off the money flow to Mr. D’Angelo.
     
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    Hazel, please keep posting, and don’t feel intimidated about doing so. We value your thoughts and opinions!!
     
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    Oh jeez, and here I was thinking these would be my last posts. I was thinking of not coming back after the site moves to new software.
    Scary stuff with all the identity stuff going on and new technologies.
    I mean don't want to be "silenced" for not going with the flow, or sued or something.
     
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