CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019 - #3

Discussion in 'Missing Persons Discussion' started by cybervampira, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. rb63

    rb63 Well-Known Member

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    I have same theory today as I did he day I heard about it, so no haven't deviated on it..
     
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  2. Trudie

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    And Ben from WY knew this all too well.
    Even a foot of snow or less is treacherous. Especially if snow fell over ice. Dangerous to the nth degree. Another reason Ben did not ride alone, imo.
     
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  3. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    I’m the same on the other 3 cases I follow.
    How is Merritt weather today?
    Tysm
     
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  4. MistyWaters

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    Yes those are good possibilities. And I’m speculating if bovine TB was an issue at NR and if all cattle herds within Nicola Valley were placed under quarantine for the early duration of the outbreak, regardless of the specific ranch it was found on, the CFIA would likely require that the actual head count agree with NRs inventory. This could be another reason for searching for stray cattle, particularly if that was also the same task of ranch employees during their work week.
     
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    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    GM as in General Manager? Do you have a source for this? And who then was the Ranch Manager, the person with primary responsibility over the cattle herd?
     
  6. rb63

    rb63 Well-Known Member

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    Sunny and windy (nothing new there) Snow should be melting fast on mt. if these type of days continue.
     
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  7. Trudie

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    Great. If you go up there, get some pics, please. Be safe, by all means.
     
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    Just curious, what types of activities do you think Ben did on his days off? And do experienced cowboys place a lot of significance on a buddy system? They don’t ever go riding alone? I’d have a hard time believing Ben never rode alone as he seemed a guy with a strong independent streak, given his travels. However I am very certain Ben was not out riding on an ice topped rocky mountain and I don’t know where you got that impression. Much of the snowfall occurred on the Sunday after his disappearance iirc.
     
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  9. ktm44

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    I don't believe that all herds in the valley were quarantined and can't find any articles indicating that to be fact. I can find that 4 animals from that area were found to be infected and it's a new strain. If the whole valley was under quarrantine, it would be well documented.

    The simple fact is that if 20 pairs were left behind, the ranch is missing $30,000+ in inventory and eve 5 is enough money to warrant looking for them. Cattle can't forage like horses can and to leave them behind would be a poor management decision.
     
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    @rb63 your maps have really helped me get a perspective, thanks again.
     
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  11. rb63

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    You seem to have some knowledge about cow (myself not to much), what is the chances of predators getting the cows or dying from conditions if on top of mountain? Is it likely by then they would still be alive? There was a pretty good snowfall earlier in Jan up higher, so assuming mountain top was covered..
     
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    I believe they were commenting on my statement that in winter, a rider would be more inclined to stick to cleared roads than snow covered trails to avoid laming a horse.
     
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    I highly doubt there where any cows up high. They would all be down in the lower meadows being hayed. Ben never went to "gather strays" at 2:00 on a winters day, hogwash and I doubt he went for a pleasure ride either that late in the day. JMO from experience.
     
  14. MistyWaters

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    Yes maybe. I’ve not noticed anyone insisting Ben was riding in high snow covered elevations nor have I. The search proved he wasn’t found in the immediate area of where his horse was found and it appears he had no reason to be in the logging road anyway. However horses are capable of travel without a rider. My question would be (not directly to you) what’s the point of staging a horse where the rider was unlikely to be, intentionally creating immediate suspicion?

    It’s a mystery why it was reported Ben was seen riding Saturday and then again Sunday, including where he might’ve been headed.
    “Police believe 32-year-old Benjamin Tyner, the ranch manager of nearby Nicola Ranch, went out on horseback Sunday, but he has not been seen or heard from since then.”
     
  15. ktm44

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    If they were mine, I would have gone back before then. Bear should have been denned by then but cats would still be a threat. In theory, the cattle should have drifted to lower lying areas, in search of feed, when it started to snow higher up.
     
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    I agree completely.
     
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    It's going to take a long time to find cause of death if everybody is searching Swakum Mountain and the body is 10 or 15 miles in another direction.
     
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    Thank you very much.. I was told by a local no one goes searching that time of year for cows on swakum...
     
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    IIRC it was Swakum Ridge were it was said he might’ve went to look for stray cattle, not the logging road off Hwy 97c near Winnie Flats on Swakum Mtn.

    What’s the distance and terrain between the two, I don’t think we know. But if Ben was indeed riding the Sunday, headed in the Swakum Ridge direction and was ambushed/attacked, could’ve the riderless horse ended up on the logging road by the next morning? Why I’m curious - when the horse was located why did other ranchers rationalize it by the comment that Ben might’ve been searching for stray cattle at Swakum Ridge if the distance made it impossible. I’d assume they’d be fully familiar with the lay of the land to have stated that possibility.
     
  20. Trudie

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    Yeah or the remains on NR
     
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