CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #23

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I go there regularly to check if it has been transferred from active to a cold case. TPS likely too embarrassed to actually reclassify it, but the Sherman case certainly appears to be dead. And the killer(s) and their sponsor live life as normal.
All we, and the public can do is keep the case alive and active by talking about it.

I still hold to my opinion, that the TPS know who, why and by whom the killing was done. They are keeping a close eye on the perpetrator(s), and continue to gather evidence so they have a solid case in court.

Bruce McArthur was an example of the TPS knowing who the criminal was and followed him. They only arrested him when it appeared he was going to commit another crime. No rush to arrest because there is no statute of limitations on murder.

Remember, Jack Kay said "follow the money".
 
All we, and the public can do is keep the case alive and active by talking about it.

I still hold to my opinion, that the TPS know who, why and by whom the killing was done. They are keeping a close eye on the perpetrator(s), and continue to gather evidence so they have a solid case in court.

Bruce McArthur was an example of the TPS knowing who the criminal was and followed him. They only arrested him when it appeared he was going to commit another crime. No rush to arrest because there is no statute of limitations on murder.

Remember, Jack Kay said "follow the money".
I sure hope you are right.
 
Deja vu...
August 2, 2024 rbbm
''A family in Toronto’s Bridle Path neighbourhood said their home was targeted by intruders for the second time in two years after suspects were captured on video crashing into a metal gate and stealing a luxury car from the property earlier this week.''

''During an interview with CTV News Toronto back in December 2022, Sahar Barghian said a man waited outside their home for an hour and a half, claiming to know her father and asking for someone to open the gates.''
 
In my opinion, as the newspapers decline as society's primary information source, the nature of crime reporting has changed.

At one time when there was at least three vibrant daily newspapers in Toronto, each often would be vigorously competing with each other to get a 'scoop' on the other. The Sherman murders would often be the type of case they would focus on. I seem to remember when Paul Bernardo was a fugitive I believe the newspapers were constantly reporting on Police activity in the case.

Kevin Donavan, did a yeoman job for years creating focus and interest in the case. Now nothing. Since media is a business based on selling advertising, the focus will be the audience. However the levels of quality, honesty and integrity are widely different in the sources.
 
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Do we have this theory (IF we have it) only because of KW's statements? The M/S-theory makes a lot of sense, IMO. The "helper" is missing yet, who had to have been there for staging the scene, but otherwise it seems so very logical to me. Barry had had enough that evening, after the architect meeting and in the midst of the home-selling and after days of possible debates with Honey and who-knows-who-else about money/buying/selling/giving away to MS/their ungrateful children/their LWs. Barry's life at 75 should have been turned inside out - and he maybe thought, it would be for nothing. If Honey felt different and was fulfilled by her own (giant) plans, the potential for BIG anger and dispute was given. MOO
Indeed…..the PERFECT STORM enveloped my cousin at this time.
 
Indeed…..the PERFECT STORM enveloped my cousin at this time.
Welcome back.

Okay, I will grant you the slim possibility this is what occurred, even though Barry did not have a history of violent outrages and physical aggressions and was noted for his logical and analytical thought processes.
If this scenario of M/S occurred, then we must assume that there was a 'helper'.

The 'helper' could have been the same person who claims Barry discussed murdering Honey with him. It makes sense, as nobody else has come forward with story's of Barry's homicidal intentions. Barry trusted that person once, why not a second time to be the 'helper'?

Just supposing.
 
All we, and the public can do is keep the case alive and active by talking about it.

I still hold to my opinion, that the TPS know who, why and by whom the killing was done. They are keeping a close eye on the perpetrator(s), and continue to gather evidence so they have a solid case in court.

Bruce McArthur was an example of the TPS knowing who the criminal was and followed him. They only arrested him when it appeared he was going to commit another crime. No rush to arrest because there is no statute of limitations on murder.

Remember, Jack Kay said "follow the money".
Two interesting questions to ask are: Where has all of the money gone and if following the money has led to the solving of this case so far?
 
Welcome back.

Okay, I will grant you the slim possibility this is what occurred, even though Barry did not have a history of violent outrages and physical aggressions and was noted for his logical and analytical thought processes.
If this scenario of M/S occurred, then we must assume that there was a 'helper'.

The 'helper' could have been the same person who claims Barry discussed murdering Honey with him. It makes sense, as nobody else has come forward with story's of Barry's homicidal intentions. Barry trusted that person once, why not a second time to be the 'helper'?

Just supposing.
“I CAN’T DIE, JACK," BARRY SHERMAN CALLED out....

Donovan, Kevin. The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman (p. 132). Penguin Canada. Kindle Edition.

"I still have so much to do,” said Sherman. “I can’t die.”

Donovan, Kevin. The Billionaire Murders: The Mysterious Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman (p. 132). Penguin Canada. Kindle Edition.
 
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Welcome back.

Okay, I will grant you the slim possibility this is what occurred, even though Barry did not have a history of violent outrages and physical aggressions and was noted for his logical and analytical thought processes.
If this scenario of M/S occurred, then we must assume that there was a 'helper'.

The 'helper' could have been the same person who claims Barry discussed murdering Honey with him. It makes sense, as nobody else has come forward with story's of Barry's homicidal intentions. Barry trusted that person once, why not a second time to be the 'helper'?

Just supposing.
If a helper also (just like Barry) had in mind, to beware the reputation of the Shermans and the business/businesses, then this person wouldn't have spoken about homicidal intentions, which Barry may have admitted during his lifetime. The helper wouldn't have told anyone about it neither before nor after the death.
It must have been a secret between the two: Barry and his helper.
A private agreement: Please help me by covering up the traces of M/S in case, it happened one day. Make it look like murder by a stranger. It will be 100% believable, because there are enough enemies. With so many enemies (and money trails), no innocent person will ever be able to be prosecuted for murder.
Your alibi would be most credible, if you ensured your absence (as far away as possible) immediately after completing your assignment. If we are found dead the next day (or even later), you will be at your chosen location already.

That's roughly how I imagine it happening. MOO
 
Two interesting questions to ask are: Where has all of the money gone and if following the money has led to the solving of this case so far?
All the money went to the estate, which was divided up equally by the four children.
The couple had four children: a son, Jonathon, and three daughters, Lauren, Alexandra and Kaelen. They are all Billionaires now.

Not knowing what theories, assumptions and evidence the TPS has, makes it difficult to answer if the TPS has solved the case.
Remember solving the case, and then being able to prove it to a jury in a court of law are two very different tasks.

Finally since nobody else besides the children benefited financially from the Sherman's deaths, it becomes the obvious motive. There is also a theory, based on historical evidence that if parents are murdered in their home, in 70% or more of the cases, one of the children is involved. We also have the rumor that at one time, one sister became estranged from her brother as supposedly she suspected him of some involvement.

Of course there are exceptions to all theories, and the children may be completely innocent and I believe that is what most people would wish for.

To help understand the relationship between 100,000; 1,000,000; and 1,000,000,000; here is a means of comparison.

A hundred thousand seconds is equal to
1 day 3 hours 46 minutes 40 seconds

One million seconds is equal to
11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes and 40 seconds

A billion seconds is equal to about 31.7 years.

MOO
 
All the money went to the estate, which was divided up equally by the four children.
The couple had four children: a son, Jonathon, and three daughters, Lauren, Alexandra and Kaelen. They are all Billionaires now.

Not knowing what theories, assumptions and evidence the TPS has, makes it difficult to answer if the TPS has solved the case.
Remember solving the case, and then being able to prove it to a jury in a court of law are two very different tasks.

Finally since nobody else besides the children benefited financially from the Sherman's deaths, it becomes the obvious motive. There is also a theory, based on historical evidence that if parents are murdered in their home, in 70% or more of the cases, one of the children is involved. We also have the rumor that at one time, one sister became estranged from her brother as supposedly she suspected him of some involvement.

Of course there are exceptions to all theories, and the children may be completely innocent and I believe that is what most people would wish for.

To help understand the relationship between 100,000; 1,000,000; and 1,000,000,000; here is a means of comparison.

A hundred thousand seconds is equal to
1 day 3 hours 46 minutes 40 seconds

One million seconds is equal to
11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes and 40 seconds

A billion seconds is equal to about 31.7 years.

MOO
“…Finally since nobody else besides the children benefited financially from the Sherman's deaths, it becomes the obvious motive…”
I think that one has to also consider, as the measure of the motive, who EXPECTED to benefit financially from the Sherman’s murders, not just who ultimately did benefit. The EXPECTATION of inheritance could be a powerful motivation and motive for murder in this case
 
“…Finally since nobody else besides the children benefited financially from the Sherman's deaths, it becomes the obvious motive…”
I think that one has to also consider, as the measure of the motive, who EXPECTED to benefit financially from the Sherman’s murders, not just who ultimately did benefit. The EXPECTATION of inheritance could be a powerful motivation and motive for murder in this case
Was this according to BS's last and final will which was know to its trustees, etc.?
 
It might be that i do not understand these legal terms, but cannot imagine the trustees refusing or placing limits on Honey wrt her “comfortable maintenance and benefit” as they deem fit''.

2021 refresher rbbm imo.
by Chris Fox
''In the primary will, Barry directs his trustees to evenly distribute his entire fortune among his four children in the event of Honey Sherman’s death.

But he asks that more than 40 per cent of each child’s share be withheld until they turn 35. They would receive one quarter of their share upon turning 24 and one-third upon turning 30.

Sherman also laid out instructions in the event that he died before his wife.

In that case, he asked that trustees hold his entire estate in trust and pay “the net annual income derived therefrom” to Honey Sherman “in quarterly installments.

He also gives his trustees “absolute and unfettered discretion” to provide Honey Sherman with additional payments from his estate to provide for her “comfortable maintenance and benefit” as they deem fit''.

“I direct my trustees to divide such residues as it then exists into as many equal shares as may be required to carry out the following and to set aside one of such equal shares for each child of mine who survives the division date…” the will states.
Will was updated in 2017''
 
Complicated real estate transactions (and long time friendships!) in the area, fwiw, noting today's article involving HP, previously referenced by me in this 2017 post.
''Peerenboom contacted police as soon as the first hate mail appeared in 2012, but he also opened his own investigation, contributing to a widening gyre of litigation that has pulled in friends, neighbours, private investigators, high-powered attorneys and police forces in the U.S. and Canada. In five separate lawsuits and thousands of pages of court documents, there are allegations of character assassination, DNA theft, extortion and even accusations of murder.
And the whole debacle began, according to Peerenboom, with a dispute about tennis courts.''
Aug 9 '24
 
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Complicated real estate transactions (and long time friendships!) in the area, fwiw, noting today's article involving HP, previously referenced by me in this 2017 post.
''Peerenboom contacted police as soon as the first hate mail appeared in 2012, but he also opened his own investigation, contributing to a widening gyre of litigation that has pulled in friends, neighbours, private investigators, high-powered attorneys and police forces in the U.S. and Canada. In five separate lawsuits and thousands of pages of court documents, there are allegations of character assassination, DNA theft, extortion and even accusations of murder.
And the whole debacle began, according to Peerenboom, with a dispute about tennis courts.''
Aug 9 '24
Conrad Black has written some interesting biographies however he is not a person to be admired IMO. Do some research and you will understand my POV.
 
No doubt there are some members of the TPS who visit this thread.
Do they know why there has been no official mention by the TPS about this case for quit some time? The TPS must realize there is significant interest in the Sherman case.

If they have not solved the case, they should at least ask the public for assistance. If they do not want or need the public's assistance they should say so.

IMO
 
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