Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

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  1. Maple

    Maple New Member

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    Or is it possible that the person's hair was cut off after he was murdered or just prior to?
    I think it's a far stretch to ascertain ethnicity (i.e., Sikh) from receding hair line. FYI, Sikh men do also lose hair. But I agree that maybe the person wore his hair differently when alive, and or possibly wore a cap most of the time. And that maybe why people kind of recognize having seen him.
     
  2. Maple

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    I agree. This article, which I posted earlier, definitely raises this point.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jp-lar...n-of-colour-a-white-killer-s-prey_a_23354740/
     
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    Or West Asian (e.g., Iranian, Iraqi, Jordanian) or even North African (e.g., Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian).
     
  4. Maple

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    You aren’t wrong. I’ve been quick to assume South Asian, but West Asian and North African can fit as well❤️ Thank you for keeping me inline.


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  6. Maple

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    I have to say that as much as this is difficult and hard for the victim's families and the LGBTQ community, BM's ex-wife and next of kin (and daughter - not sure about the son) must be feeling terrible to be connected to such a monster. I cannot begin to fathom what it's like for them to feel judged by the public because they are connected to BM.
     
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    Idsinga pointing the finger at TPS - internal investigation - yet people will still call us out for being angry at TPS for their failures. Hmmmmmmm.
     
  8. Maple

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    I hear you.

    The general public wants to place their trust in the law enforcement because their safety and security depends on them doing their work. In other words LE "remain enshrined as sources of protection and heorism." And, so, when someone criticises the LE for mis-steps and "failures", some people perceive that as an attack on their ideals concerning LE.
     
  9. BeKind_BeWell

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    This case is so horrifying. I don't even want to imagine what else is going to come out. BM is as evil as they come and the depths of his depravity will be further revealed. So sad for the victims, may they RIP. Heartbreaking and devastating for the families, thoughts and prayers to them.

    On the comments/quotes above, according to the Vice article, both BM and ex-spouse JM were surety for TM. Being a surety is very serious. See the links. Conditions of bail usually require the person to live at a specific address, thus someone cannot state any address and then just live where they like. It's possible he could have declared two addresses (mother and father) if both were acting as his surety. One can only guess if his mother did not want him around based on the type of behaviour TM was accused of. TM had to go back to court to change the conditions of his surety because BM was part of the surety. See The Toronto Star link

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...rthur-the-man-charged-with-gay-village-murder
    "The trio avoided reporters at the 150 Bond St. courthouse Thursday afternoon, where Todd was scheduled for a brief hearing to substitute his surety on the terms of his bail.
    (Todd McArthur is facing charges of breach of probation, making indecent telecommunications, and criminal harassment.)"


    https://stepstojustice.ca/common-question-plus/criminal-law/what-are-bail-conditions
    "Bail conditions are rules that you must follow while you're out on bail and your case is being decided by the courts.
    For example, you may:

    • not be allowed to communicate with the complainant
    • not be allowed to communicate with your co-accused
    • not be allowed to go within a specific distance of a specific place
    • have to live at a specific address
    • have to stay at home during specific hours, usually overnight
    • have to follow the rules of a house arrest
    Make sure you understand what your bail conditions are. If you do not follow your bail conditions, you can be arrested and charged with failing to comply with your bail. This is a criminal offence. If this happens, you will be held in custody for another bail hearing. It will be more difficult for you to get bail a second time."

    See also:
    https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/sureties.php

    And you'll remember how James Forcillo violated his bail by moving in with his girlfriend prior to receiving approval for an official change of surety from his wife (and living in their family home) to his new girlfriend. Assets are also involved, it's not a simple thing.
    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...appearance-as-crown-looks-to-revoke-bail.html
     
  10. lilymoon

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    Dear WS folks,

    Could someone be so kind and direct me to the best link for missing persons, please? I am trying to help and look through some files and the link(s) I've found are often with outdated information (either persons located or deceased).

    Thanks bunches!!
     
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    http://www.canadasmissing.ca/index-eng.htm
    http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cc-afn/index-eng.htm
    https://mcsc.ca/investigations/missing-children-cases/
    https://namus.gov/
    http://www.opp.ca/index.php?id=127
    http://www.doenetwork.org/missing.php
     
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    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
     
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    It’s been difficult hearing about all the ghastly crimes of BM and when thinking of what his victims endured prior to death, it’s a terrifying thought to contemplate. My deepest condolences to all the loved ones left behind to carry the burden of their sorrow while trying somehow to fathom the unimaginable evil of BM.

    What I find so hard to understand is how many people have now come forward since BM’s arrest to talk about very scary experiences they had with him. They are indeed lucky to be alive!

    I have always been a little naïve about the darker and more dangerous elements of life and the people who occupy these secret shadows. I cannot imagine why anyone would contact a stranger for a sexual encounter that would include being harmed as a means to attaining pleasure. From what I have read since BM’s arrest, he was actively pursuing submissive partners and stated that he liked to abuse people. I admit I know little about the lifestyle that involves BDSM activities, but it just seems to me that it is common sense not to offer oneself up as a submissive to any stranger. If there was BM, there could be others like him – violent, no respect for boundaries, no compassion or conscience. Maybe they are not serial killers, but serious emotional and physical harm can come to people who put their trust in the wrong person and that worries me. I'm presuming since these type of connections are being made online all the time, that most of the time things thankfully work out ok, but I would advise anyone not to trust a stranger with your most intimate self. Trust is earned and it takes time, IMO.

    I don’t care if someone is straight or gay or bi or whatever sexual orientation, but I think it is seriously risky to engage in sex with strangers at all, but especially when the person expresses sadistic desires. It made me feel sad to read the piece in the Huffington Post blog about how some people feel of colour, gay men, and others are used to being victimized by dominant white male sex partners. If one is to engage in BDSM activities, I would think that behaviour requires real trust between two willing, informed and adult partners. IMHO, BM preyed upon those who had similar sexual proclivities and because they did share this interest, he was able to lure them unwittingly to their deaths. They placed their trust in him at a point where they were most vulnerable – during sexual expression. It is just heartbreaking.

    As for how the police investigated things, I am going to wait for the answers from TPS and in particular, Det. Sgt. Hank Idsinga. I have complete trust in his judgment. He has been notably transparent and forthcoming, and I think he and his team will get to the bottom of any mistakes that were made. I don’t want to criticize TPS homicide team because I think they need and deserve the support of the public to continue investigating this very complex and gruesome case. I think the police for the most part do care very much about the victims and the crimes committed against them, and I think they want the same outcome as we all do – they want to uncover every detail about BM and his crimes and protect that information as evidence until they can secure a conviction.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jp-lar...n-of-colour-a-white-killer-s-prey_a_23354740/

    All MOO.
     
  14. lilymoon

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    Dotr - thanks so much for the help.

    In addition to trying to find helpful websites, was also having difficulty in finding any reliable statistics. Unfortunately, that system itself seems flawed - at its initial and most crucial point: data collection and sharing information across agencies (local, provincial and national).

    This is an excellent article that sheds some light on the policy and procedures in LE reporting/sharing missing persons information, how they triage cases, and the inconsistencies that still exist in building and updating accurate data bases.

    The older Globe and Mail article is dated Feb 16/18 and contains some outdated information regarding the specifics of BM's case. Had missed reading it at the time and hope all of you find it helpful as well.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...stry-identify-serial-killers/article38014017/

     
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    Interesting CBC article (Oct 13/17) regarding the proposed DNA data bank for helping solve missing persons cases. According to the article, at the time, it has yet to be implemented.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dna-missing-persons-rcmp-1.4354358






    What happens at 5 year expiry date?


     
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    In this Globe and Mail article (Mar 07/18) discussing the current TPS internal investigation and generalities on what led up to the probe; one very interesting bit of information was included and stands out, that until today, had not seen reported:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...er-subject-of-internal-probe/article38246793/




    Has this specific connection been reported previously, and I missed it?
     
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    Would someone kindly correct the spelling of Mr. Kayhan, Mr. Esen, and Mr. Mahmudi's last names above.
     
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    Unless/until the police find ANY proof that they were involved, they have no reason to feel shame or embarrassment of any sort. AFAIK, they have done nothing wrong.

    One does not pick ones parents/siblings/etc, BM and his wife divorced many years ago.

    Of course they will be greatly upset by this but they are in no way responsible for the behaviour of BM.

    I hope they can find a way to live without feeling stigmatized, guilty or 'involved' in his horrendous crimes.

    They have my love.

    As for those who judge them, best they remember it can happen in any family.
     
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