Canada - Kienan Hebert, 3, Sparwood BC, 7 Sept 2011 - #2

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  3. ~n/t~

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    Good Morning,

    Thank you for the new thread. :seeya:

    I was hoping he'd be captured by now. Hoping today is the day. The sooner the better. IMO, this guy is a ticking time bomb and he will strike again and perhaps the child/children won't be as lucky next time.

    A couple of articles regarding Kienan's return home.

    Most articles this morning are wanting answers from LE.

    How did Kienan get home safe? And other questions
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/11/how-did-kienan-get-home-safe-and-other-questions

    With the ordeal over, police have a lot of questions to answer

    http://www.vancouversun.com/With+ordeal+over+police+have+questions+answer/5387240/story.html
     
  4. Snoopster

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    I wanted to quote craftybatchy's post from the previous thread.
    Crafty said:
    Thank you so much for the insight, Crafty...particularly the background on RH. It's great to get background info from a local.
     
  5. ~n/t~

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    Regardless of his background and I don't want to sound like a mean B but Hopley should NOT be on the streets. He's committed crimes in the past and most recently and no doubt if not caught, he will reoffend again.

    Time to lock him up. Many children grow up in foster homes, have it rough growing up, abused sexaully and mentally, some living on the streets.

    He's not the first and won't be the last. You commit a crime, you pay. Period.
     
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    I intentionally abstained from all media yesterday, because I can't bear the heartache of re-living 9/11.
    And now I find that a miracle occurred on 9/11. I am so thankful!
    I will celebrate this miracle each anniversary now. It has restored a bit of faith in humanity!
     
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    No he shouldn't be on the streets but it does start to explain his personality a little which is interesting to me.

    As they said yesterday, this never happens where a child is returned. Unharmed too. I want to understand.
     
  8. matou

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    What happened last night? Was Randall spotted? False alarm? TIA
     
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    Jury is still out.

    The only information we have, is in the Scanner Thread for Kienan. Definitely sounded like they were flushing him out, but, it seems LE quickly shut down the live feed, and it never came back on. Around 9 pm ish last night.

    Haven't seen any updates in MSM.

    This is for the vast number of LEO's who are surely bone tired, and still in pursuit of the POI in this case, in addition to the Scannerettes who have been monitoring in the PL. Let today be the day:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Great insight from craftybatchy!

    I am getting really tired of the media saying "how did he get back in undetected" all over the news, it almost has a accusatory tone to it, and no one can criticize the way the police handled this IMO - Kienan is home safe, and that was the ultimate goal. Had it not been for the police, the family, and everyone else conducting themselves EXACTLY the way they did this would not have had the same happy ending IMO.

    This man is sick and needs help - He needs to be off of the streets and in the care of professionals. Reading Craftybatchy's insights furthers my train of thought, that he just wanted a "family" - because he never had a proper one. He is trying to heal past hurts and wounds and seeking happiness and needs help - a healthy, sane person does not do it by stealing other peoples children in the middle of the night. Someone who tries to do that is obviously not someone who needs to be walking around the streets free.

    This just goes to show, that if you hurt your kids - you hurt society. Randall was failed by his mother, the system, and society beginning the day he was conceived.. and this is the repercussion of that failure.
     
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    I just had this crazy thought. Maybe Kienan and Hopley didn't go very far and when the family moved to the neighbour's home, Hopley decided to go back in?? Could they have been inside the house for the 3 days whilst everyone was looking for them?

    This is what brought me to that possibility. bbm

    http://www.theprovince.com/news/return+mysterious+abduction/5384761/story.html
     
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    We must not forget Hopley's priors. Sorry. I do NOT feel sorry for this guy. Yes, he didn't harm Kienan but he had no right to take him in the first place.

    Enough of treating this creep like he's some sort of hero. He's a criminal, a thief, a sex offender.

    And yes, I'd like to know how he ended up back at the Hebert's residence. It's a mystery everyone wants to know including the professionals who will study this case.
     
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    I think the Province made an error - by all other accounts, Keinan was sitting up on the couch wide awake.

    But you could be right.. they could have gone back in the home at some point throughout this... OR.. Hopley is still where they were hiding and the police can't find it. I bet it is in total plain sight... It's somewhere VERY close to the home IMO, or there is no way he would have been able to get that child back in the house undetected..
     
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    Just a reminder how dangerous this guy is.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/0...spect-amber-alert-kienan-hebert_n_953756.html
     
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    I do feel sorry for him in a sense, but I don't know if that's the right word. I just know that had he not been born mentally handicapped, or been exposed to FAS, and if he grown up surrounded by love & acceptance,(three things he had zero control over) he would not have become the person he is. That doesn't make me believe any less that he is a danger to society being out - as he has proven. I just think that it was inevitable that he turned out this way based on his background.
     
  16. craftybatchy

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    The Hebert home is in a new area of Whiskey Jack Resort, a sort of subdivision in Sparwood. There are not a lot of trees around the home & it is fairly exposed. No outbuildings either so as far as opportunities to hide in and around their property - not much.

    <modsnip>.

    What I will say is this .... Comments made by Dan Moskaluk (E div, Media Liason) really gave me pause and once I can find the clip I will see how I can either post or link to it. He stated 'Randall, I saw what you did and it was the most amazing thing ever'. This leads me to believe that RCMP did have the house under remote surveillance on the suspicion that Hopley might try and return to the scene. I feel they were very concerned about a hostage type situation or some sort of ransom demand. Paul Hebert actually sent out a message to everyone on his Facebook list asking (at the request of RCMP) that people NOT contribute to a reward fund. LE did not want a bounty hunt which would obviously put the child in danger.
     
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    I'm surprised they haven't located his car either.
     
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    I think you are right as well.. Also when he said "You have my cell number".. I think that said something right there as well.
     
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    That's a doozy right there.. It's like he took the child and went right to where he was going and stayed put.

    Does anyone know how close the previous abduction attempt was in relation to the home of the Heberts?
     
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    JMO, I don't think he meant it literally. I think he was trying to soften the crime by pleading to him so he would surrender. Don't you think if they had him under surveillance they would have him by now? Even if they were afraid of a hostage situation, they would've grabbed him as soon as he left the residence.

    I don't want this guy getting any leniency because he didn't harm Kienan. I'm grateful Kienan wasn't harmed but others were and he should get what's coming to him once caught.
     
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    Here is the statement he made that you are referring to..

    "I'm pretty sure that we were having a conversation with you yesterday, or at least you and Paul did have a conversation, because we saw what you did," said Moskaluk, addressing Hopley directly. "So from the bottom of all our hearts, thank you for bringing Kienan Hebert home and reuniting him with his family."

    "It was a tremendous thing that you did for them, OK, Randall? And it's perfectly clear.

    http://www.news1130.com/news/local/...nks-god-and-abductor-for-kienan-s-safe-return
     

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