Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #14

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  1. scrappinkat

    scrappinkat Well-Known Member

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    An empty gas can of fumes is much more combustible than a jerry can full or even half full of gas. Puncture the tank and let it leak out a little, fumes accumulate, throw a match and run.
     
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    Francie Starr Well-Known Member

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    It is an offense to improperly secure a firearm, in Canada, even in your own home. provide a firearm to an unlicensed person, in Canada. It is also an offense to provide a firearm used in the commission of a crime. Actually, there's a whole raft of charges potentially in store for anybody who inadvertently or purposefully allowed those teenagers to acquire the guns they allegedly used.
     
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    webbie On Time Out

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    You're entitled to your opinion, that's all I can say about your comment :rolleyes:
     
  5. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Constables are looking for alcohol and drugs, but also did not see weapons.

    The teens missed the check stop, and they were followed, and and pulled over.

    The suspects did not get out of the car, answered questions, and drove away.

    They were also seen leaving community short while later after getting fuel as they stated at the stop.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/first-nation-constable-stopped-homicide-suspects-1.5230779

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    A rookie band constable on a remote Manitoba First Nation says he saw the men who are now Canada's most wanted fugitives drive through his community's checkstop a day before police said they were wanted in connection with three killings.

    The checkstop is set up to prevent alcohol and drugs from entering the community of about 2,300 on the reserve, which is located 711 kilometres from Winnipeg. bbm

    Saunders said the men drove past the checkstop slowly and he caught up with them down the road where they stopped.

    "I told them that you know you're supposed to stop ... and then they said sorry about that, the driver said sorry, and then I asked them where they came from and they said Vancouver," the constable, who started the role in March, said.

    The constable said the two men told him they were going into the community to get gas. He said he informed them he had to search their vehicle — an SUV.

    "I didn't see no camping gear, no maps, no weapons, no drugs or alcohol."
     
  6. OldFarmer

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    Sure guns are relatively common with hunters and in redneck communities in Canada. But they’re definitely not so common in urban centres. IMO it’s very unlikely Professor LD would have been carrying a gun. Also, I don’t know many folks who take a gun with them on a camping trip, unless it’s also a hunting trip. I imagine that LD, like most experienced campers, practiced basic bear safety.
     
  7. scrappinkat

    scrappinkat Well-Known Member

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    Easier to buy 2” metal/steel pipe and make your own banger shotgun. As for buying gun parts, as long as your a legal PAL holder you could buy parts. Expensive and overly technical way to obtain a gun though.
     
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    Most people who suicide are depressed, but it's also highly correlated with anxiety disorders and thought disorders like schizophrenia (which is a very painful mental illness). So the question "why suicide?" is answered within the mental health literature (and the first major study still holds: Durkheim's famous book entitled Suicide). You can spend your whole life studying it.

    To me, the rise in suicide among young people is concerning.

    Extensive suicide is my own specific interest (as well as variations in subcultures as to rates and types of homicides and sex crimes).

    Double suicides like this are rare. Extensive suicides are becoming increasingly common (as a percentage of homicides) but are still rare.
     
  9. Peace777

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    We don't know if they would have killed others as we don't know how much ammo they had left. Maybe they just had the last 2 bullets just enough to go and commit their suicides up in the bush?
     
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    Another what if ...
    They were both working at Walmart together. Both on night shift. What if something at work ticked them off. Maybe they were bullied or someone said something upsetting to them or they were being fired for poor performance. So, they said heck with that, we are out of here and maybe that was the last trigger?
     
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  11. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Possibly, but personally I don’t think that’s likely.

    It will definitely be interesting to know what they were armed with, and how many rounds were found on them.
     
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    DINGDINGDING! winner, best post!
     
  13. otto

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    I know an awful lot of academics and I can assure you that they do not travel with guns. Guns and academics are two things that do not go together in one sentence.
     
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    Only my opinion of course, but I don't think they would have tried to kill the band constables. Way too high profile in that people would have noticed right away. These two seemed far more cowardly. Probably the same reason why the guy who helped them out of the mud didn't end up dead.
     
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    Given my theory these two began as experienced thieves prior to moving toward murder, they may’ve been stolen guns or bought on the black market.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/national-gun-trafficking-straw-buying-smuggling-firearms-1.5126228
     
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    Maybe they had access to a 3D printer through school.
     
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    I had seen a lot of speculation that they might have gotten a gun from Mr. Dyck's vehicle, but I think we can assume they already had possession of the guns, or at least one of them, before they ever encountered Mr. Dyck since Lucas and Chynna were apparently killed by gunshots several days before the discovery of Mr. Dyck and the burning truck. (Of course that's if they indeed killed Lucas and Chynna, which I think most of us believe, but can't say for sure I suppose without the evidence.)
    Jmo.
     
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    Why couldn't someone from BS's family own a gun? I mean, let's say a late husband had one, and it was locked away never used, rarely checked on -- a rifle, maybe, of some value. And then it was missing after a call about a truck on fire, and the keys to the gun cabinet were missing, too.

    And women hunt, too.
     
  19. mtnstream

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    Thank you for the link - that's the best map I've seen, with locations of boat, and suspects bodies. I don't think the suspects could make it thousands of miles across Canada, with maps, and not know that road ended near Sundance. I wonder if they had any other injuries (broken bones, cuts, scratches, etc), or were just exhausted, and knew they really were at the end of their trail.
     
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    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    If so, one of the most incredibly rare kinds of "suicide" and had to be so carefully orchestrated as to boggle the mind.
     
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