Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #15

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  1. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    The suspects had guns, the victims were tourists and botanist without guns.
     


  2. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    This is not a fact.

    Law enforcement has not commented on this, one way or the other.
     
  3. Esprite

    Esprite Well-Known Member

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    A lot of kids spend an extra year in Grade twelve to get higher grades, more credits, etc. depending on their post-secondary goals. Many also take a gap year off before going into post-secondary.
     
  4. otto

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    Maybe Chynna had a gun. She arrived in Canada on July 6.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    I doubt either of those two did.

    They were tourists.

    LD obviously could have.
     
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    Thanks, he began working for UBC 16 years ago when he was almost 50, a second professional career in his later years. However we know nothing of his life for any of the preceding years, details of where he resided and where he was employed.

    Aside from his professional capacity, it seems he was also somewhat of a “free spirit” as well, similar in that way to L&C.

    “Leonard Dyck, a botany lecturer at the University of British Columbia, was taking one of his characteristic solo camping trips through the wilderness when he was killed, Robert deWreede, a professor emeritus of botany at the university, told the CBC.

    “He was spending a lot of time with his children [lately], sometimes going off on camping trips and so on,” deWreede said. “He often would tell me about the trips that they’d taken together. And I guess one of these trips resulted when he went off on his own camping up north.”...
    https://nypost.com/2019/07/26/fathe...-by-teens-in-canada-was-on-solo-camping-trip/
     
  7. Lalalacasbah

    Lalalacasbah Well-Known Member

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    All hail Whitehorse! lol
     
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    I imagine there's jobs there but Vancouver Island is also experiencing a construction boom all year round, they are dying for trades guys here! We don't have a mine (that I'm aware of) so that would be good work.

    I just have a hard time believing that was their motivation I guess. That one men commented how soft their hands were, I just summed them up to be slacker computer/gamer guys as BS didn't seem to hack construction with his dad.
     
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    That's been something I was wondering, too.

    I travel a lot, so I end up renting cars a lot. My keychain always gets added to the rental car keychain. Always. It's just more convenient, because I need several of my keys while traveling; padlocks for suitcases, any hotel keys (lots of small establishments, places, especially outside North America, still use metal keys), luggage keys, bike lock keys, etc. I've seen lots of people do this. I do it by adding the while ring (not each key individually) to the rental car key chain. So, I was wondering whether, if those burned keys are the RAV4 keys, there might be other keys on it not linked to him. If so, they could prove useful in the investigation. I'm glad the police eventually went and collected them.
     
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    It is precisely because I have so much empathy for the McLeod’s that I don’t want to see them thrown to the wolves, raw, exposed and mortified.

    I can’t imagine the trauma they are going through.
    They are the parents of a ruthless killer - with cherry on top: known and hated the world over.
    How do you come to terms with that?
    Put yourself in their shoes for one moment.

    Would you hold a press conference to satisfy the wolves and their morbid curiosity? Would it even cross your mind?
    How do you make it through this nightmare?
    Can't the public have the basic decency to respect these people’s intimacy and coping mechanism, if any?

    AS has jumped on the bandwagon with abandon. Ya think he’s making a scrapbook? Ya think he’s going to try to be a better man or will he blame the system to his grave?

    My mother lost a son, aged 20. I certainly empathize with the victim’s parents. I know not a day will go by, for the rest of their lives, that they won’t cry their Chynna and their Lucas. There is no greater cross to bear.
     
  12. Zella

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    It's a fair chunk of change, but that's very standard for American self-publishers. I doubt Canadian ones are that much different. The more basic the package is, the worse the service is, in my experience.
     
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    We know quite a bit. I don't remember the ages of his children, but it's out there.

    Right out of high school, he was a UBC student. He completed one year general studies and then specialized in marine biology. He graduated in the normal 4 year program. He did a second degree in, roughly 1986 or 88 and graduated in 1991. In 2004 he completed his PhD, but he was teaching in 2003, so he was at student from maybe 1999 or 2001.

    Student: UBC
    1973 - 1978
    1987 -1991
    2000 - 2004​
    Sessional: UBC
    2003 - 2019​

    It's hard to say how long he needed to complete the masters and doctoral degrees, but he obviously had a close connection to the university throughout his life.
     
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    We're not allowed to link fundraising type sites here, are we? Are we allowed to mention them?
     
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    He could have ranted on social media or a blog for far less, though, and probably had a wider audience. Instead he threw $2k behind putting words he wrote when he was drunk into paperback, which to me suggests he doesn't think that clearly when he's sober. And he spent that $2k when he doesn't even have housing. I just find that mind-boggling.

    Perhaps he thought that if he posted what he wrote online, he'd never be paid for it, whereas if he self-published he would be sure to make back his $2k and more. It's as if he were really doing it for the money, and really thought his words would sell.
     
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    Here's another example usage:

    Assuming that they are suicidal, do they embark on mass shootings because they want to die in a blaze of “glory”?
    source: Shooting at El Paso – When “enough is enough” is not enough

    And another one:

    Carl Wilson said: "I think he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. That's why he did it the way he did. "I think he wanted the police to kill him and he used the police to commit suicide."
    source: Man wanted 'blaze of glory' shooting death

    And another:

    “A new breed of discontented youth, often men in their early 20s, has emerged in step with social media,” Yoshikawa said during an interview last year. “In everyday life, these men are often withdrawn and have suicidal impulses. They’re either attracted by the idea of committing suicide in a blaze of glory and mayhem, or they may simply crave attention.
    source: Rethinking the media's coverage of 'theatrical crime' in Japan | The Japan Times
     
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    He was definitely a Mennonite I can tell you that by his surname alone. I live in an area with tons of Mennonites and practically every other person has the last name Dyck, Friesen, Bergen, etc...all Russian Mennonite names.
     
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    In my experience working as a freelance editor with independent authors, those who choose self-publishing tend to come in three categories: those who are very naive about the publishing industry and have no idea how badly they are being taken, those who have legitimate reasons for avoiding traditional publishers but have the know-how to market the book themselves, and those who are content to not market it because they just wanted a few copies for family and friends.

    Bryer's dad probably falls in the first category, but he is by no means alone in that. He stated in an interview that he was going to use the money to buy a home. I don't think that was a realistic estimate of what he would make on the book, but I think he probably thought sinking a couple of thousand into the venture was not a bad investment for that kind of a return. The problem, of course, is you have to know how to market it, and a self-publisher isn't going to help you with that unless you give them a lot more money. And in my experience, the help they do give for that you can find a lot cheaper and better elsewhere. LOL

    MOO
     
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    Has it been confirmed that LD was on the trip up north by himself or is it possible his family was camping up there too?
     
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