CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

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  1. violet67

    violet67 Well-Known Member

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    no...this is a painful glimpse into mental illness. it explains a lot about bryer but i think we already knew there was a lot of dysfunction going on. I find it horrible that the dailymail chose to exploit this.
     
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  2. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    How do you propose they line the highways all the way from Lower Mainland BC up to the Alaska Highway.

    Global BC and BC1 tv news station broadcast this incident every 1/2 hour for days. If tourists or locals did not have access to tv or internet, how do you propose they could have been warned there was a public safety issue?
    There are also railway bunkers for the rail workers to lay over. Train slows down without stopping and the worker simply hops off.
     
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  3. AddyFinch

    AddyFinch Active Member

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    A rich Aussie at that
     
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  4. scrappinkat

    scrappinkat Well-Known Member

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    Major drug rings yes. Ones that result in kidnapping, missing people and point blank murders.

    Not to mention the pressure of having a tourist killed and that tourist turns out to be the son of a Police Chief. Add the pressure of another unrelated death somewhat close in location, the start of tourist season, media coverage of the wanted fugitive at large - it’s possible that tunnel vision developed in an effort to prevent hysteria.
     
  5. AddyFinch

    AddyFinch Active Member

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    Yep..what he said:p:p:p
     
  6. derbywinner

    derbywinner Well-Known Member

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    I think the worst of this is because the public has been provided so little details. LE wants us to be on the look out for 2 young men; who might have, or not might have killed someone or people. As the public I want to know why they think this. I want to know that because they took the kind Professor's vehicle that is why he is dead so I don't question everything else, especially the killing of the young couple. Like yourself <modsnip> happened to the bearded guy that LE doesn't want to discuss.
     
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  7. Trooper

    Trooper Well-Known Member

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    For me, the big question is, why have they stopped killing? was three enough? did that assuage the rage, or was that the agreed number pre-spree, or ( and forgive me for this ) was a woman not counted, and the plan was for two? . why stop? .

    Why only kill three when one can, logistically, kill a lot more, if killing is the name of the game. ..

    Having murdered three people, what would be the point of stopping? why not go on, let it all hang out, go for broke. ..

    The answer for me is, they are dead. Dead and cold somewhere, being eaten by a cranky bear. Of course, they could have run out of ammo, but why confine oneself to shooting targets? What would make them stop the journey they were on, and take another tack? . What was the magic inherent in the number three?

    Having murdered three, what now, then?
     
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  8. SunVenus

    SunVenus Well-Known Member

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    Speculation is one thing, but some people have been automatically calling out certain traits (interest in gaming, socially awkward, interest in guns, etc.) as red flags. They can be, in SOME cases. But for millions of "normal" people, they also have those traits.

    I did follow Lanza's case, quite closely. I understand what you are trying to say. My issue is with people throwing out a diagnosis without being either a) a mental health professional or b) not ever once having met BS.

    I wasn't trying to call you out personally. I myself am on the spectrum, and have several family members and my ex-husband who are all on the spectrum. One thing we say in the ASD community of professionals & those affected by it is "if you've met one person with autism, then you have met ONE person with autism".

    There are many factors to look at in this case, in any case. But ASD is getting-- in my opinion-- demonized these days, and too many people are marginalizing ASD people. The term "Aspergers" is even used as a pejorative in certain communities, like incels and PvP gamers. Perhaps I am just sensitive to it.

    Anyway @afitzy, my apologies if I didn't come across well. No insult was intended. :)
     
  9. Curious Me

    Curious Me Who When Where What Why & How

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    Nurture vs Nature is still an ongoing topic sometimes in determining how someone ends up a killer. It doesn't excuse BS or any murderer if they had a crappy childhood, but I don't think we need to disregard the influences like parental alienation or neglect that might go on in the making of an angry adult that decides to go out and kill. JMO though.
     
  10. JuneBug67

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    Most cities in Canada also have their own forces. There are zero cities in the northern reaches of BC. I'm sure they have highway patrol up there, but those highways are beautiful, quiet, long stretches of nothing between very small communities. There is no guarantee there will be a patrol car anywhere nearby.

    Canadian policing kind of looks like this, relative to the US, which might help Americans visualize the coverage:

    Cities - have their own forces, same as US cities.
    2 of the more populous provinces also have their own forces - Ontario (OPP) and Quebec (SQ), analogous to state troopers
    RCMP is the federal force, comparable to FBI
    OT, but CSIS is analogous to CIA

    Only 10% of the country lives farther than 100 miles from the US border, so there are vast northern areas to police with huge geography and small, very spread out populations. Into those voids step the RCMP, in addition to their other FBI-like role across the country, in all provinces except Ontario and Quebec, where the provincial forces have jurisdiction. Hope that might kind of help make things clearer.
     
  11. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Not to mention that approx 75% of the population of BC live in the Lower Mainland.
     
  12. srper2

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    I met a Canadian while trekking to Everst base camp and he talked about his life in a cold environment every night beside the yak dung stove and was the best publicity for Canada ever!
     
  13. afitzy

    afitzy STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES!

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    No, was simply asking the question about RCMP air resources in the Northern Provinces. Wondered if air resources were available and why they weren't deployed to get to the scene quickly?

    My recollection based on the interview of the road worker is that it took 3-4 hrs for RCMP to arrive at the scene during which time it was maintained by a Road Worker. Seems that securing the scene quickly is typically the goal of law enforcement. We don't know where RCMP was driving from to get to the site but they clearly were not close by.

    I was curious if given the vastness of the northern provinces that a helicopter didn't exist to allow quicker access to the scene? It just seems logical that given the distances involved that going by air would make sense and arriving at the scene in a timely fashion would minimize scene contamination. We already know that someone accessed the scene in advance of the road worker and took photographs of the scene and the victims.

    I would think that RCMP would want to quickly access any scene of violent crime no matter what the citizenship of the victims.
     
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    The detachment itself would not have a helicopter or pilots and it would be costly and difficult to have a charter company at their disposal.

    There was no way for the RCMP to know that the two deceased were foreign nationals or Canadian citizens when the call was made and even upon arrival, the victims seemed to have no identification and it doesn't sound like their vehicle was properly registered. I suspect a great deal of time was wasted tracking down the owner of the Alberta plates and registration while trying to find the identity of the victims. Not being snarky, but why does a foreign national warrant greater concern than the Canadian that was also killed?

    There are areas where I think the RCMP may have dropped the ball but I don't feel that idenification of the victims was handled poorly at all. Typically, foreign travellers either enter the country in the own vehicle or rent one upon arrival. If personal identification wasn't found at the scene, the vehicle license plate would give police a good starting point.
     
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    This story becomes sadder with every word for every person in it. I’m in the U.S. and had no idea about the wilds of Canada. To our Canadian friends, I so admire the resiliency of your police and people. To all, I’m sorry for the broken hearts and lives across Canada, Australia, and America as a result. Please, everyone, take care and take heart.
     
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    I may be wrong here but I believe these kinds of things get treated like a need to know basis. And providing intimate details can compromise an investigation and/or trial.
     
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  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    I think it’s possible that something went awry, and they found themselves stranded.

    They could certainly be dead, but I think they’ll wait until the last moment.
     
  18. afitzy

    afitzy STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES!

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    Yes. Seems like speed is impt and time is of the essence with two dead people.
     
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  19. scrappinkat

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    Maybe they never really started killing.

    They are merely suspects in Fowler and Deese, not even charged. Their deaths happened early in the morning of July 15. At this time details are to sketchy to be saying they killed Fowler and Deese.

    The charge for LD is second degree murder. He most likely died July 19th. Based on how he died it wasn’t premeditated. Then right away they run. Out of panic and fear I would guess at the enormity of what just happened between them and LD.
     
  20. derbywinner

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    A bigger evil to me = someone who possibly is able to pull this off and implicate other people. I'm not being delusional. Do I think there is a chance these guys did it, absolutely. But why. They were handed a truck and camper and none of the "oh they only had so much money because they worked at Walmart" doesn't buy the theory they were poor. That house that KM's family has is worth a lot of money. They wouldn't let their son go without money or supplies on his little look for work vacation. They possibly supplied the truck and camper. Their insurance is screwed now and they won't recoup that loss. We got to think of the big picture here.
     
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