Canada - Marianne Schuett, 10, Kilbride, Ont, 27 April 1967

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  1. Richard

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    Marianne Schuett, 10, Missing 27 April 1967 from Kilbride, Ontario, Canada

    40 Years ago...

    Marianne Schuett
    Missing since April 27, 1967 from Kilbride, Ontario, Canada.
    Classification: Stranger Abduction


    Vital Statistics
    Date Of Birth: 1957
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 10 years old
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Schuett vanished on her way home from Kilbride School near Burlington, at 4 p.m. on April 27, 1967. Two workers driving home from the nearby American Motors plant saw a man in a dark blue Renault station wagon at the side of the road talking out of the window to a little girl in a red car coat. One of the workers saw in his rear view mirror how the girl got into the car. Her running shoe was found two days later on the side of a highway 14 km away.

    The police composite drawing showed a pointy-faced man in light-rimmed glasses and a canvas fedora. A witness account told of a nervous-looking man cleaning out his vehicle and wiping it with a dry cloth at a empty picnic spot near Dundas two days after Marianne went missing.

    The car was a dark blue Renault station wagon. The description of the man fit that of the American Motors workers, not yet released to the public. The witness had taken take down the car's licence number.

    The report was for unknown reasons never followed up. 23 years afterwards the case was reopened and the investigators did follow it up. They checked the licence number. It had belonged to a dark blue Renault station wagon. It was owned by a man with a history of pedophilia. He'd been jailed in 1972 for attempted abduction of an 11-year-old girl who managed to run away from his car. While the police was building their case against him he committed suicide.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Royal Canadian Mounted Police
    613-993-1525

    Source Information:
    The Hamilton Spectator
    The Doe Network: Case File 534DFON


    LINK:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/534dfon.html
     
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  3. KarlK

    KarlK New Member

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    Not much doubt about what happened to that kid :(
     
  4. Richard

    Richard New Member

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    It would be nice to know the specifics of the Police case against this guy. How many other unsolved cases might be linked to him? Where he lived, worked, camped, traveled, etc might lead to discovery of this little girl's body.
     
  5. LisainWV

    LisainWV New Member

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    They had a license number and didn't follow up? Good heavens!! Poor little girl!!!!!!!
     
  6. CrimeSolver

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    ^^^As it states above, police were investigating when the suspect killed himself.
     
  7. palisadesk

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    They had the licence plate number at the time of the original investigation, in 1967. However, no one followed it up at that time. It was only when a new officer investigated the case 23 years later, in 1990, that they followed up on the licence plate number and found that the car and description of the suspect also matched. In the meantime the suspect was believed to have assaulted other girls and did jail time for an attempted abduction.

    He committed suicide when he was informed he would be arrested for Marianne's murder. Police were also investigating him for assaults on two seven-year-old girls.

    Marianne's body has never been found, although an informant who served jail time with the suspect told police the girl's body was buried along the Bruce Trail in the general area where the shoe was found. Searches did not turn up anything, but it is a fairly large area with wild and rugged terrain . Another tip several years later led to police excavating under a building in a nearby village, but nothing was found.

    There is some argument from this case to be made that every so-called cold case should be reinvestigated by a new investigator with no preconceived ideas. The clue they needed to arrest Marianne's abductor -- his licence number -- was in the files the whole time. Contacted 23 years later, the witness who provided that information was able to identify the suspect from a photo line-up -- he would certainly have been able to identify the man at the time. They just dropped the ball somehow.
     
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    Palis...
    Is there any more news on that front?
    Any thing uncovered about the suspects name?, age?
    Would be great to know the age in order to line him up with 1959 and Lynne Harper.
     
  11. KarlK

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    Not only that, but the suspect was driving a make of car that was very uncommon in North America at the time. In a small town many people would know who owned it.

    There appears to have been inexplicable negligence in the case, or that police did not want to arrest the suspect for some reason. At first I thought it may have been because the suspect was involved in law enforcement himself but after reading the whole narrative of the Steven Truscott wrongful conviction case I think it may have been because the Renault Man may have been a suspect in the Harper murder and authorities were fearful of seeing prosecution shenanigans exposed if the Renault Man had been the actual murderer of Lynn Harper.

    Trusscott was convicted following a trial where various felonies (or whatever those are called in Canada) were apparently committed by prosecution witnesses and perhaps the prosecutor himself in order to get Trusscott convicted due to public pressure and perhaps political ambitions. Even though he was only 14 Trusscott was sentenced to death on rather flimsy evidence but his sentence was commuted to life and he was released after 10 years or so. Even after admitting his trial had not been fair (and after waiting for most of the witnesses to pass away) provincial authorities were still refusing to allow a judicial review of his case that would have cleared him but after a half century of efforts Trusscott was finally acquitted and paid substantial compensation.

    I never cease to be amazed at the extremes supposedly civilized grown men will resort to to have their way, even attempting to get a kid they knew was innocent executed to satisfy their ambitions. Unbelievable, and Harper's family will never see justice served for the murder of their loved one.
     
  12. CrimeSolver

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    ^If I remember correctly, the most credible suspect in the Harper case (aside from Truscott) was a military man stationed at Clinton who had a Russian or Eastern European surname. He died or killed himself decades ago, hence there's not much hope of solving the case now; just supposition.
     
  13. betty000

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    I helped search for this girl when she went missing.

    It was reported later that maybe the father abducted her and there was a strong custody case going on.

    A member stated that Stephen Truscott was blamed for Lynn Harpers death but he was totally innocent. The man they believe not did it died in jail. The Guelph Theatre did a play about this incident that was written by this grandchildren, on this wholde subject. Several books are available about this case.

    Tori is missing in Stratford, this kind of abduction happens far too often.

    Even as adults they have been proven to be abducted or willingly go with strangers.

    It is human nature to trust.
     
  14. just_curious

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    Tori is missing from WOODSTOCK
     
  15. DSchuett

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    Regarding Mariannes father abducting her that statement is not true and hurtful to the family. The family and the police feel it was the man that comitted suicide that was responsible for it. As for a custody battle, Uncle M and Aunt E were not divorced until after the family moved to Guelph. Just wanted to dispel any nasty rumours. Please refer to website http://www.burlingtonpost.com/news/article/195966
     
  16. Richard

    Richard New Member

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    Welcome to Websleuths!

    I have often wondered about this case and the man suspected of kidnapping Marianne. Five years intervened between the disappearance of Marianne and his attempt to abduct the 11 year-old girl and his subsequent suicide. How many others were there in those intervening five years?

    What do you know about this guy and where did he live?
     
  17. DSchuett

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    I don't know very much as the family doesn't talk about it much. Maybe you know more than I do. Do you know the name of the 11 year old and area she lived in? All I know about the suspect is that he supposedly lived in the Hamilton area and committed suicide around the early '90's.

    Thanks for any info you can give
     
  18. palisadesk

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    The suspect in Marianne's disappearance who later committed suicide had been convicted of assault and attempted abduction of a 17-yea-old girl, not an 11-year-old. This girl was a resident of Burlington and the attempted abduction took place there in 1972. There were other charges pending and investigations in progress relative to this suspect, all involving assaults or attempted abduction of young girls in the Hamilton and Ancaster areas. While in custody in Toronto, the suspect allegedly told a cellmate that he had hidden Marianne's body along the Bruce Trail near Limehouse, but of course we know that "jailhouse informants" are not always reliable. Even if that information were true,that area is dense bush and full of rocky outcrops, caves and good hiding places.

    There is nothing to suggest this person was involved in the Lynne Harper murder, however. He is not known to have had a car like the one which Lynne got into on the highway when she disappeared, and he had no connection to Huron County. The circumstances in the Harper case are suggestive of Lynne recognizing the driver of the car she entered (perhaps a military man in uniform, or someone she recognized from the Air Force station) The Schuett suspect was a resident of Burlington for many years and had moved to Hamilton in the time before police began connecting him with the Schuett case. He was inabout 40, married, with two or three children, at the time of the crime.

    His name has never been released, as far as I know. Typically, offenders of this type do not appear abnormal to their friends and family -- they may indeed present as "model citizens" and exemplary family men. Consider the recent case of the commander in charge at CFB Trenton in two murders and several sexual assaults of young women. Since the Hamilton suspect was never tried in court, and his family is innocent of whatever wrongs he committed, it is fair to keep his name from the public for their sakes. Publicizing it will not bring Marianne back.

    This article about the case is still online:
    http://www.insidehalton.com/news/article/466123--what-really-happened-to-marianne-schuett
     
  19. Richard

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    Canadian law is different in some ways from the laws in US states, but both consider a suspect innocent until proven guilty.

    While it is true that publication of an "unconvicted" suspect's name will not bring back a victim, there are very good reasons to release the name of a CONVICTED child rapist who subsequently commits suicide rather than face charges of further attacks.

    Solving crimes at least answers questions for the vicitm's family and other unsolved cases could possibly be linked to the same suspect.

    I fully respect the rights of members of the suspect's family to privacy. However, the right to privacy for a convicted felon and suspected child rapist/killer ends with his conviction or death.
     
  20. palisadesk

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    Agreed. However for clarification, this particular individual did not have any convictions for sexual assault, rape or crimes against children. Several charges were pending, but he had never stood trial for any crimes against children.

    It's a sad fact that most perpetrators of sex crimes against children have had dozens, even hundreds, of victims before they are caught and convicted.

    It's possible that we as a society have moved forward somewhat on this front however. It is much more likely now that a child victim will disclose the abuse or assault than it was some decades ago, and adults who work with children are much more cognizant of the signs and indicators of abuse. Police and others are better trained in how to respond to such cases, and services are available to help children and families. It's not enough but it is progress.

    A private investigator could probably learn this man's name by going through the court records and finding the records of the Hampton Heath Road assault conviction (which would be a matter of public record) but no useful purpose would be served. The man committed suicide almost 20 years ago.
     
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    I just read about this case I can't get over this fact.
     

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