CANADA Canada - Naramata BC, WhtFem HC667, 20-24, on wooded embankment, Jul'74

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  1. Lady Stardust

    Lady Stardust New Member

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    Could this be a match?


    Hot Case 667


    Unidentified Female

    * The victim was discovered on July 24, 1974 in Naramata, British Columbia, Canada
    * Estimated Date of Death: It appeared that the body had been in the location for some time
    * State of Remains: Advanced Decomposition

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: early 20's
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 7" (170cm); 140 - 150 lbs. (54 to 68kg).
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Long, light brown hair

    Case History
    On July 24, 1974 the nude body of a young woman was discovered in an isolated area of Naramata, north east of Penticton.
    Located in the Chute Lake area by two employees of the Canadian Pacific Railway working on a microwave project, the body was down an embankment in a heavily wooded area.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers
    Al Sismey
    250-770-4721

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    NCIC Number:

    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    South Okanagan Similkameen Crime Stoppers

    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase667.html


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    Case File 2863DFBC


    Carmen Robinson
    Missing since December 8, 1973 from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 17 years old
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Carmen Robinson was last seen exiting a bus at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue in View Royal, two blocks from her View Royal home. Robinson worked as a dishwasher at the Ingraham Hotel on Douglas Street near Burnside Road East. After her shift on Saturday, December 8, 1973, she caught the bus home, intending to enjoy two days off. She was last seen stepping into the night at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue, a short distance from her house. She did not make it home.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

    RCMP

    Source Information:
    Canda.Com
    The Times Colonist

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2863dfbc.html
     
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  3. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    Yes, it could be a match but the distance is a stretch - she'd have needed to be moved on a ferry as View Royal is on Vancouver Island - and then about 300+ miles of not very direct route. If she were killed, it seems more natural that the killer would have chosen a disposal site in the remoter areas of the island to have a better chance of escaping detection. Also, there is very limited demographic information and no indication of a facial reconstruction so it's very hard to say.

    Although there is a period of seven months between disappearance and recovery, in a cold climate this may delay decomposition and "advanced decomp" might (I don't have the science background to say conculsively) be consistent with that period, whereas normally skeletalized remains might be the normal phrase used.
     
  4. Lady Stardust

    Lady Stardust New Member

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    Here is an article with some more info on Carmen Robinson's disappearance:

    Cold Case: 17-year-old vanishes

    In 1973, a tall attractive teenager stepped off a bus two blocks from her View Royal home and vanished.

    By Times Colonist (Victoria)September 26, 2008


    The Times Colonist is highlighting several unsolved cases of missing or murdered people. This is Day 2 of our coverage by Lindsay Kines and Rob Shaw.


    Who: Carmen Robinson, 17

    What: Missing, suspected homicide

    When: Dec. 8, 1973

    Where: Last seen exiting a bus at West Burnside Road and Holland Avenue in View Royal.

    Few of Vancouver Island's unsolved police cases are as baffling as the disappearance of Carmen Robinson.

    The tall, attractive, 17-year-old blond stepped off a bus two blocks from her View Royal home one Saturday night and simply vanished. She was never found.

    Although detectives have re-worked her file dozens of times, they've had few leads other than a bizarre but ultimately unproven tip by Clifford Olson, one of Canada's most notorious serial killers.

    [...]


    West Shore RCMP Insp. Jim Faulkner said the case remains "substantial" and is investigated "from time to time" but police could still use public tips.

    Rob Shaw can be reached at 250-380-5350 or rfshaw@tc.canwest.com
    © (c) CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc.

    http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=38d511df-c0b7-4488-b109-222f114e15c3
     
  5. Patience

    Patience Active Member

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    Police have a fresh lead into an investigation related to the baffling disappearance of Victoria-area teenager almost 37 years ago, but say they need the public's help in pushing the case forward.

    West Shore RCMP said they want to speak to anyone who knows anything about people who resided at a home near the Trans-Canada Highway, north of Victoria, in 1973.

    The home is located at 830 Lavender Avenue, near Marigold Road.


    Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/De...ts+warm+lead/3771829/story.html#ixzz14KolTRts
     
  6. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    The link is gone but the whole article is here:
    http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t37700.htm
     
  7. theshadow45

    theshadow45 Active Member

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    It's been nearly six full years since the last post and almost forty-three since her discovery, bumping for Naramata Jane Doe. She went missing from quite a distance away in Alberta, but maybe Patricia Salamandyk http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3603dfab.html? Not sure how accurate the weight estimate would be with her remains being very decomposed which might account for the discrepancy between Patricia's weight being listed as 120 pounds vs. 140-150 for the Jane Doe.
     
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    A few other possibilities, the one I like the best is Patricia French who has been missing from Vancouver, BC since 1969 http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2442dfbc.html. At the time, she was 18 years old, 5'7" tall and 130 pounds, and had dark blonde hair. She was supposed to meet her parents in Calgary, AB but never arrived. Naramata is right in between the two from what I can tell. Helen Frost went missing days before her 18th birthday http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/254dfbc.html. Unlikely given the tight timeline and distance, but Marilyn Byskal went missing on a school canoeing trip http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2416dfmb.html. At first it was believed she either got lost or fell into the river and drowned, but after extensive searches failed to locate her police announced that they suspected foul play in her disappearance.
     
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    Naramata Jane Doe has been unidentified since her discovery 43 years ago today.
     
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    Satchie Well-Known Member

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    My theory is, this murder happened locally and poor Jane Doe could have been from anywhere.

    The Okanagan, including Naramata (until the fruit packing company closed) has long drawn thousands of transients to pick fruit all summer on a strictly cash basis. They camp in the orchards, and just arrive and leave without anyone paying the slightest attention. Most hitchhiked, many were from Quebec, though word spread and it was also possible then for people from Europe and the US to work illegally, no one would check where you were from. Someone wrote a thesis about the lifestyle (in French)
    https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...FjAAegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3QeXJccMUWhq3GFSZO1qv6

    They were tolerated back in the day, but now the wineries/their clients/newly arrived retirees complain about them http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lations-with-seasonal-fruit-pickers-1.1306603.

    Either another transient, or a local, could have been responsible for this murder, perhaps picking Jane Doe up as a hitch-hiker.

    It gets very hot there in summer (speeding decomposition), fruit picking usually starts late June, early July, so I think the timing is right. In those days of strictly post or expensive long distance calls, a young woman might take off for the summer and not keep her family informed about where she was or her plans, or she could have been a runaway.
     

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