CANADA Canada - Nicole Morin, 8, Toronto, 30 July 1985

[baoluo]

Just considering the "I'm going to disappear" note in Nicole's diary. What if anything can we infer from that? Would an average 8yr old use the word disappear in a written sentence? In my mind, that seems like a big word for an 8yr old to be writing down. It makes me wonder if she heard someone else use the term prior to her going missing? It also made me wonder, what was the context of the diary entry? What was written in the days before and after (if applicable?). Were there other entries afterward? What were they about? What was her writing ability like overall? Was she really likely to have written that statement of her own accord? How was "disappear" spelled? Was she overall a good speller at age 8? Or not so much? These points matter because they might provide some insight into what else was going on in her life, in her mind at the time before her disappearance. What was the writing like? Yep... I'm going there. Was this kid normally a neat printer, and this was messy or vice versa? Was this written in pen? Crayon? Pencil.... nail polish??? I jest, but its not a joke. I'd just like more information from anyone who can provide it which would answer the questions posed above.

It's a bit of an unusual thing for an 8-year old to write. I'll bet she overheard it, maybe from her mom. Perhaps mom was arranging to have her "disappear". An 8-year old could overhear something like that and not really understand what it means. I think mom had a hand in this.

 

[Rosiebones]

Is it possible that she was abducted and taken UP to the roof, killed and hidden. Was the roof thoroughly searched with cadaver dogs?

 

[photographer4]

Is it possible that she was abducted and taken UP to the roof, killed and hidden. Was the roof thoroughly searched with cadaver dogs?

I went through quite a number of articles from various news reports from the days of the search, and I do not recall seeing that the roof was checked out, thoroughly or otherwise. You would think it would have been, but who knows. I think the roof might have been a likely option. I do hope that was checked into - every nook and cranny up there and all around there. I'm still over here wondering why Nicole was not mentioned in Jeanette's obit? Jeanette went back to work within a couple of days - to her daycare kids. I don't know that I could have done that. As the parent of Nicole, or as a parent of any of her daycare kids. No way I'd leave my kid with her knowing HER kid was unaccounted for!! None. Not a chance.

 

[Atafriendsrequest]

Bumping for Nicole
This missing case likely has nothing whatsoever to do with Nicole's disappearance, but noting fwiw, the slimmest of coincidences of another girl,11 yrs old missing since 2001.
This mp was in the company of her sleeping father ( parents split up ) outside a mall when she vanished.
She was last seen in the company of a blond woman boarding a bus.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/markowski_bethany.html

Unless the description was, dirty blond hair. Early 20's. 5'2". 100 to 110 lbs, it
wasn't the same person. The mystery woman isn't a mystery. I was there the following morning, working, for about 4 hours. I know Melissa thinks people don't know what the police know but that release made no sense to me then and still doesn't now.

 

[photographer4]

Unless the description was, dirty blond hair. Early 20's. 5'2". 100 to 110 lbs, it
wasn't the same person. The mystery woman isn't a mystery. I was there the following morning, working, for about 4 hours. I know Melissa thinks people don't know what the police know but that release made no sense to me then and still doesn't now.

Sorry, can you pls clarify? Who was / is Melissa? Also, you were at the building the following morning - the one from which Nicole Morin vanished? Can you tell us what the scene was like when you were there, and what job (generally) had you there?

 

[dotr]

Sorry, can you pls clarify? Who was / is Melissa? Also, you were at the building the following morning - the one from which Nicole Morin vanished? Can you tell us what the scene was like when you were there, and what job (generally) had you there?

Thinking that the "Melissa"mentioned was a reference to a post i had made noting that although unlikely, there was a few similarities between the missing girl whose correct name is Bethany, and Nicole. In particular, at the time in each of these unrelated AFAIK cases, a blond woman was seen nearby.
speculation. fwiw.
Bethany Markowski still missing 18 years after disappearing in Tennessee
Mar 1 2019
"At the time of Bethany’s disappearance, Jonnie said she and Bethany’s father, Larry Markowski, were going through a divorce"
Bethany Leanne Markowski – The Charley Project
"Several witnesses saw Bethany in the company of an unidentified Caucasian female shortly after she disappeared. A sketch of the woman is posted with this case summary. She is described as being approximately 42 to 44 years of age, 5'4 to 5'5 and 185 pounds.

Witnesses said that the woman had dark circles under her brown eyes and her blonde hair was clean but frizzy and damaged. She appeared to be unkempt, like she had not bathed, and her shoes were torn and incorrectly tied. The woman may have been suffering from a hangover."

Authorities stated that the unidentified woman attempted to enroll Bethany in a southeastern Tennessee school in April 2001, one month after Bethany was reported missing. The woman was later observed boarding a bus with Bethany.

 

[Atafriendsrequest]

Yes I was at the 627 building the following morning. The description is to expand apon the picture the police released of a blond woman with a clipboard. Then again they should already know who that is. I was part of a moving crew. There was a search going on in the rear of the building but the full search ramp up hadn't begun yet.

 

[photographer4]

Yes I was at the 627 building the following morning. The description is to expand apon the picture the police released of a blond woman with a clipboard. Then again they should already know who that is. I was part of a moving crew. There was a search going on in the rear of the building but the full search ramp up hadn't begun yet.[/QUOT

Yes I was at the 627 building the following morning. The description is to expand apon the picture the police released of a blond woman with a clipboard. Then again they should already know who that is. I was part of a moving crew. There was a search going on in the rear of the building but the full search ramp up hadn't begun yet.

The following morning the full search ramp up hadn't begun yet?! why the heck not I wonder!!?

 

[photographer4]

Yes I was at the 627 building the following morning. The description is to expand apon the picture the police released of a blond woman with a clipboard. Then again they should already know who that is. I was part of a moving crew. There was a search going on in the rear of the building but the full search ramp up hadn't begun yet.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[gregjrichards]

The following morning the full search ramp up hadn't begun yet?! why the heck not I wonder!!?

Good question.

 

[jaycool]

Just throwing a random thought out there.... is there ANY chance that this kid didn't even ride the elevator at all that day to meet her friend? Was there any tangible evidence to say she got ON that elevator at all that morning? I cannot recall. Are LE and all of us just assuming she took the elevator?

Yes it is possible. I was making an unrelated point that Nicole was snatched maliciously or taken by someone she saw as trustworthy regardless of how she got out, nothing new i know.. No assumption here. Looking back this case since its been a long time reading i do believe there was a stair case in this building.

In my previous posts (earlier ones) i did state any perp or person involved in her disaperance was just as likely to escort her down the stairs because it would be an efficent way to hide her and get her out of the building, thus no one then gets to see her leaving the complex especially if you leave at the right time.

At one time i posted the outside possiblity that Nicole made it out of the building by herself and that someone nefarious was in the car park or surrounding area and snatched her since there was a lot of personal accounts of shady predatory trying to lure children away. Her disapearance happening very quickly.

For whatever reason LE think she was on the elevator, i personally think the elevator is more likely given the friend said the elevator went to the top floor but then came down "empty". If she took the stairs by herself its possible she was bored, its also possible she had an arguement with her mother and tried to run away from home?

In a previous post i also mentioned another idea that she was taken outside the building ie. perp waiting in a vehicle snatches her once they had seen her alone and isolated. Just think this is less likely that is all.. But i remember some possible eye witnesses in this case but the problem is we dont know how accurate they are.

Put yourself into the shoes of the perp, you are going to kidnap a child without being seen then take them somewhere or even move a deceased person out of the building undetected, how do you do it? The stairs is probably best since most people dont actually use them and no one sees anyone suspicious hanging around.

I used to live in an apartment complex with many floors and of all the times i used the stairs no one else was ever using them, to me this is why they make a lot of sense to move someone out of the building and to fabricate any story that you were not involved in their disapearance, worse no one sees the perp leave the complex.

Hopefully there will be some major discover in this case at some point but i think it is very unlikely given that any witnesses have probably long forgotten this day.

 

[photographer4]

Yes it is possible. I was making an unrelated point that Nicole was snatched maliciously or taken by someone she saw as trustworthy regardless of how she got out, nothing new i know.. No assumption here. Looking back this case since its been a long time reading i do believe there was a stair case in this building.

In my previous posts (earlier ones) i did state any perp or person involved in her disaperance was just as likely to escort her down the stairs because it would be an efficent way to hide her and get her out of the building, thus no one then gets to see her leaving the complex especially if you leave at the right time.

At one time i posted the outside possiblity that Nicole made it out of the building by herself and that someone nefarious was in the car park or surrounding area and snatched her since there was a lot of personal accounts of shady predatory trying to lure children away. Her disapearance happening very quickly.

For whatever reason LE think she was on the elevator, i personally think the elevator is more likely given the friend said the elevator went to the top floor but then came down "empty". If she took the stairs by herself its possible she was bored, its also possible she had an arguement with her mother and tried to run away from home?

In a previous post i also mentioned another idea that she was taken outside the building ie. perp waiting in a vehicle snatches her once they had seen her alone and isolated. Just think this is less likely that is all.. But i remember some possible eye witnesses in this case but the problem is we dont know how accurate they are.

Put yourself into the shoes of the perp, you are going to kidnap a child without being seen then take them somewhere or even move a deceased person out of the building undetected, how do you do it? The stairs is probably best since most people dont actually use them and no one sees anyone suspicious hanging around.

I used to live in an apartment complex with many floors and of all the times i used the stairs no one else was ever using them, to me this is why they make a lot of sense to move someone out of the building and to fabricate any story that you were not involved in their disapearance, worse no one sees the perp leave the complex.

Hopefully there will be some major discover in this case at some point but i think it is very unlikely given that any witnesses have probably long forgotten this day.

You raised a lot of good points. I was wondering myself if maybe she ended up at a different floor b/c a perp pressed a different button then just took her with him... exited via the stairs. Ok then how'd he get to his car? This made me wonder - some buildings have side doors so you exit the stairs closer to a side door and straight to a parking lot at ground level. Was that the setup at her building? that somehow seems the most likely scenario to me from all the way over here, all these years later. I wonder, did the friend notice if the elevator stopped any other floor along the way down? That might be interesting to know. I might have read that but now cannot recall... I'll have to go looking....

The saddest part to me is that the friend was there waiting, and buzzed up to ask where her friend was after waiting and not connecting with her and mom wasn't worried for some reason. Maybe she was busy with her daycare kids, or thought that Nicole hadn't quite left yet? Maybe she didn't even realize how much time had passed? Ugh.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Any updates? More victims identified in past years that point to Riddle?


The Boston Globe Boston, Massachusetts 10 Sep 1988, Sat • Page 33

Man jailed in Maine says he has killed 30
By Denise Goodman
Special to the Globe
SOUTH PARIS. Maine - Police are trying to unravel the bizarre story of an itinerant dishwasher who has said he was involved in 30 killings across the continent over the last two decades. Officials yesterday were not sure of the name or age of the man who calls himself Lovie L. Riddle and "The Interstate Man" and contends he was responsible for homicides from Texas to Toronto. His statements, made to State Police beginning Aug. 24, were contained in affidavits police filed in advance of a fifth bail hearing yesterday afternoon. The man is being held on a felony sex charge stemming from an Aug. 13 incident involving a woman in Fryeburg. "I have no way of telling whether he did any of the things he said he did," Janet Mills, district attorney for Oxford, Franklin and Androscoggin counties, said yesterday. "Everything has to be taken seriously," she added, until Riddle's statements can be confirmed or dismissed. "At the very least, anybody who fakes such things or talks about such things has a problem that ought to be addressed," Mills said, because anyone who talks about such crimes poses "a propensity for danger." Mills said she would not characterize Riddle's comments as a confession because he had not given a detailed description of each murder. Instead, she said, he gave a "rambling and fairly disconnected statement" to State Police Detective Peter Herring after he was returned to the Oxford County Jail following an earlier bail hearing. Patricia Mador, assistant Oxford County district attorney, said yesterday that Riddle told State Police he was either present at, participated in or had knowledge of many murders. CLAIMS, Page 34

 

[JohnnyChicago]

The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
14 Sep 1988, Wed • Page 5

Police doubt man's story about girl's disappearance.

TORONTO (CP) - A U.S. man's claim that he is a serial killer possibly connected with the unsolved disappearance of a Toronto girl three years ago is being viewed skeptically by Toronto police. Lovie Rid-. i . 1 1 i claims he has f f.1 - wQarc killed up to Missing 3 years 30 people in the U.S. and Canada, was interviewed by Toronto homicide detectives two weeks ago in connection with the disappearance of eight-year-old Nicole Mo-rin. But Riddle's story "just didn't fit in with the Morin disappearance," Sgt. Russ Ruddock said Tuesday. If Riddle's claim appeared true, "it would be one of the strongest leads we've ever had in the case," said Ruddock. The Toronto detectives interviewed Riddle in South Paris, Me., where he is being held on a charge of gross sexual misconduct. "I don't think very much came of it," said Ruddock, who was not siorif earance among officers who interviewed Riddle. Police are still scrutinizing Riddle's story, however, said Sgt. Mike Duchak. "The book hasn't been closed on it." The two Toronto detectives spent a day talking to Riddle who has "talked about the children he has taken in Canada," Det. Peter Herring of Maine State Police said earlier. Morin was last seen in July 1985, heading for an outdoor pool at her family's townhouse. A picture of the little girl wearing a bathing suit and carrying a shopping bag has been distributed across the continent. 11 J AP photo Lovie Riddle, background, is under arrest in Maine

 

[dotr]

The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
14 Sep 1988, Wed • Page 5

Police doubt man's story about girl's disappearance.

TORONTO (CP) - A U.S. man's claim that he is a serial killer possibly connected with the unsolved disappearance of a Toronto girl three years ago is being viewed skeptically by Toronto police. Lovie Rid-. i . 1 1 i claims he has f f.1 - wQarc killed up to Missing 3 years 30 people in the U.S. and Canada, was interviewed by Toronto homicide detectives two weeks ago in connection with the disappearance of eight-year-old Nicole Mo-rin. But Riddle's story "just didn't fit in with the Morin disappearance," Sgt. Russ Ruddock said Tuesday. If Riddle's claim appeared true, "it would be one of the strongest leads we've ever had in the case," said Ruddock. The Toronto detectives interviewed Riddle in South Paris, Me., where he is being held on a charge of gross sexual misconduct. "I don't think very much came of it," said Ruddock, who was not siorif earance among officers who interviewed Riddle. Police are still scrutinizing Riddle's story, however, said Sgt. Mike Duchak. "The book hasn't been closed on it." The two Toronto detectives spent a day talking to Riddle who has "talked about the children he has taken in Canada," Det. Peter Herring of Maine State Police said earlier. Morin was last seen in July 1985, heading for an outdoor pool at her family's townhouse. A picture of the little girl wearing a bathing suit and carrying a shopping bag has been distributed across the continent. 11 J AP photo Lovie Riddle, background, is under arrest in Maine

This man? Do they have DNA?
speculation.
Maine Sex Offender Registry
FDLE - Sexual Offender and Predator System

 

[Cher the world]

My name is Sherri W.
I have been trying to Email & even Posted on the Facebook Page about Nicole Morin and the Area and the day she Disappeared.
The post I made on The Fb page was there for almost 2 months.
Yet every time I pulled up the page to see if there were any response's to the huge amount of information that I gave on that post.
There was absolutely no response or anyone else ever posting anything on that page. Why?
So I pulled the post and then tried Emailing the information to the Crime Stoppers page.
I got an E-mail back saying that I was in the wrong place to make that post. ????.
I got the Email from some Lady. She said I had to call the Toronto Police.
But I don't want to do it over the phone, as I have Severe Anxiety when talking to Strangers on the phone.
So as to why I am trying so darn hard to get someone's attention somewhere about what I know.
But No One seems to care.
So I am hoping that being here, maybe someone else will know or care about this little girl, as much as I do.

Thanks

Sherri


Nicole Louise Morin
Missing since July 30, 1985 from Toronto, Ontario Canada
Classification: Non-Family Abduction



Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: April 1, 1977
Age at Time of Disappearance: 8 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'0; 51 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Morin has a birthmark on the right side of her forehead and protruding ears. She has pierced ears.
Clothing: She was wearing a peach, one pieced bathing suit with colored stripes on the front, a green headband, red canvas shoes, and was carrying a peach colored blanket and a purple beach towel.
<LI>Dentals: Gap between her front teeth.



Circumstances of Disappearance</B>:
On July 30th, Nicole left her mother’s penthouse apartment in The West Mall, in Toronto's Etobicoke area, and vanished. There has been no trace of the 8 year old girl who was likely abducted moments after leaving the apartment in the Highway 427 and Rathburn Road area.
At 10:30am Nicole had gone to the lobby of the twenty story apartment building to pick up the mail. She returned to the apartment and got ready to go swimming with a playmate. Before leaving the apartment Nicole had spoken to a friend through the building's intercom and promised to be right down. The playmate waited about 15 minutes before buzzing the apartment again to find out why Nicole hadn't arrived. The two girls had arranged to meet in the lobby and go to a supervised swimming pool at the rear of the building.
About 11:00am Nicole said goodbye to her mother and left the apartment. No one has seen the girl since she closed the apartment door and walked into the penthouse hallway.

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[Cher the world]

I am new here to this Forum of Web sleuths.
I am not aware of how to find my way around here yet. But am eager to Learn. Can someone please let me know how it is that I find anything about this case? As I do have some True Fact Information to share. About The Nicole Morin Disappearance. As I believe 100% That I saw Nicole from where I lived at that time. I do know a lot about this Case, But I cannot for the life of me, figure out how to get the information that I am looking for. About the Entire Case. Can someone please let me know where it is that I can go to get the Information that everyone else seems to know here. I am not a Computer Guru, so I have No Idea how to find things online at all. Just what my Computer decides to bring up.
Thank you.
The Newbie



Nicole Louise Morin
Missing since July 30, 1985 from Toronto, Ontario Canada
Classification: Non-Family Abduction



Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: April 1, 1977
Age at Time of Disappearance: 8 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'0; 51 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Morin has a birthmark on the right side of her forehead and protruding ears. She has pierced ears.
Clothing: She was wearing a peach, one pieced bathing suit with colored stripes on the front, a green headband, red canvas shoes, and was carrying a peach colored blanket and a purple beach towel.
<LI>Dentals: Gap between her front teeth.



Circumstances of Disappearance</B>:
On July 30th, Nicole left her mother’s penthouse apartment in The West Mall, in Toronto's Etobicoke area, and vanished. There has been no trace of the 8 year old girl who was likely abducted moments after leaving the apartment in the Highway 427 and Rathburn Road area.
At 10:30am Nicole had gone to the lobby of the twenty story apartment building to pick up the mail. She returned to the apartment and got ready to go swimming with a playmate. Before leaving the apartment Nicole had spoken to a friend through the building's intercom and promised to be right down. The playmate waited about 15 minutes before buzzing the apartment again to find out why Nicole hadn't arrived. The two girls had arranged to meet in the lobby and go to a supervised swimming pool at the rear of the building.
About 11:00am Nicole said goodbye to her mother and left the apartment. No one has seen the girl since she closed the apartment door and walked into the penthouse hallway.

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[Cher the world]

I wonder how credible that website is, and if anyone has looked into this.

What a terrible thing, if true. It would certainly explain why her body was never found.

I promise you all that, Nicole is not there!
I know that for a fact.
Due to the Information that I know, that absolutely no one else knows.

 

[BethAnn777]

I promise you all that, Nicole is not there!
I know that for a fact.
Due to the Information that I know, that absolutely no one else knows.

Welcome! Do you know where Nicole is? I would happily share any information you have with the police.

 

[Oakland CA]

I promise you all that, Nicole is not there!
I know that for a fact.
Due to the Information that I know, that absolutely no one else knows.

Welcome to websleuths.

Since you know for a fact that Nicole was not/never involved with any Dutch pedophile ring, is it fair to assume you have proof of what did happen to her?