CANADA Canada - Susan Tice, 45, & Erin Gilmour, 22, Toronto, Aug & Dec 1983

[LadyL]

HUNTER: Did Joseph Sutherland keep killing after Susan Tice-Erin Gilmour murders?

Joseph George Sutherland pleaded guilty last week to two of Toronto's oldest unsolved murders.

torontosun.com

Oct 12, 2023 lengthy article..rbbm

''There are more than 750 unsolved homicides in Toronto dating back to the late 1950s, hundreds more gather dust in bankers’ boxes in the basements of police services around the province.''

“Joseph Sutherland is being looked at very closely for anything (murders) open by a number of homicide units,” a police source told The Toronto Sun. “But liking him for a murder and proving it are two very different things. It’s still going to be a lot of work ahead.”

Was that it? Two murders and then a return to some semblance of a normal life? A white picket fence?
Not impossible, but the very nature of the Tice-Gilmour murders would seem to indicate that the killing didn’t stop.''

''For years, Sutherland — who went into IT — traipsed across Northern Ontario, visiting various reserves and remote communities. Undetected and no one for a second suspected that the man in front of them was a violent killer.''

''The Ontario Ministry of the Solicitor General provided a grant for cops to submit 30 sets of DNA for genetic genealogy testing in 2022 and another 30 in 2023. That includes unsolved murders, sex assaults and unidentified human remains.''
''Fifteen of the sets will be from Toronto cops, the other 15 from police services around the province.''

would be interesting to know which cases they chose and if there were any hits

 

[dotr]

Cannot seem to find an update about the sentencing, unless i missed it.
Oct 2023

Man accused in 1983 murders of 2 Toronto women pleads guilty

A 61-year-old man accused in the grisly murders of two Toronto women who were killed four decades ago has now pleaded guilty to the crimes.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

''Sutherland is scheduled to be sentenced on Dec. 14, 2023 at 10 a.m.''

 

[dotr]

More detail at link, graphic.

MANDEL: Newly unsealed DNA warrant details hunt for cold case killer

Forensic genealogy led investigators to five brothers as persons of interest in the 1983 Toronto murders of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour.

torontosun.com

Michele Mandel Dec 22, 2023 rbbm.
'A newly-unsealed warrant for the DNA of cold case killer Joseph George Sutherland showed investigators had eliminated his four brothers as suspects, including going through garbage, before zeroing in on the youngest as the man who likely killed two women 40 years ago.
''His sentencing hearing was set to begin in January but has now been pushed to March 2024 due to a delay in a pre-sentence report.''

How police got DNA evidence for two cold-case sex-assault murders from a suspect in a remote northern town

Joseph George Sutherland has pleaded guilty to the 1983 killings of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour.

www.thestar.com

ByWendy GillisCrime Reporter December 22, 2023
''According to the documents, one of his brothers had a criminal record and his DNA was already in Canada’s National DNA Databank, a collection of DNA that helps police across Canada link perpetrators to unsolved crimes. No match had been found between the brother's DNA and the male DNA profile taken from the Tice and Gilmour murder scenes. This brother was eliminated as a suspect (the given names of the brothers are redacted in the warrant document).
Another brother was the victim of a homicide in Moosonee. According to the document, it's common practice that a homicide victim's DNA would be uploaded to the "Local Deceased databank" maintained by Ontario's Centre of Forensic Sciences (CFS); investigators soon confirmed it had been done, which allowed them to directly compare his DNA to the offender profile. It wasn't a match.''

 

[MrsShakur]

would be interesting to know which cases they chose and if there were any hits

did he have any ties to ST. Louis in 1983? so far i can’t find a link but grasping at anything to give Jane Doe her name back.

 

[dotr]

did he have any ties to ST. Louis in 1983? so far i can’t find a link but grasping at anything to give Jane Doe her name back.

Welcome to Ws @MrsShakur!
This thread may interest you..

MO - MO - St Louis, BlkFem 8-11, 54UFMO, in abandoned bldg, Feb'83 #2

I have a sinking feeling, thinking about it. Because if they are not the same girl, why are there so many coincidences? Could the cases be related (same perpetrator, if not the same victim)? I'm sure I'm not the first to wonder. The only things she has in common is age race and a similar...

www.websleuths.com

 

[dotr]

March 4 2024

Sentencing begins Monday in 1983 Toronto murders of Erin Gilmour and Susan Tice

Relatives of Susan Tice, 45, and Erin Gilmour, 22, are expected to give victim impact statements detailing how the women's 1983 murders and the decades-long search for the killer affected

www.thestar.com

'The sentencing hearing for Joseph George Sutherland — the man arrested nearly 40 years after he sexually assaulted and killed two women in Toronto — is scheduled to take place in a downtown courtroom Monday.
Relatives of Susan Tice, 45, and Erin Gilmour, 22, are expected to give victim impact statements detailing how the women's 1983 murders and the decades-long search for the killer affected their lives.'

 

[dotr]

'You had 40 years to come forward': Family of Susan Tice, Erin Gilmour read statements to Toronto courtroom

Family and friends of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour addressed their loved ones’ killer in a Toronto courtroom Monday, deploring his decision to keep the crimes to himself for nearly 40 years.

www.cp24.com

March 4 2024
“You had almost forty years to come forward and take responsibility for what you did,” Sean McCowan, brother of Gilmour, told Joseph George Sutherland, sitting in the prisoner’s box of Toronto’s Superior Court of Justice. "Your crimes took a mother and daughter and sister from two families and yet you did nothing and go on continuing to live your life.”

“You ripped a hole in all of our lives that could never be fixed or filled in,” McCowan told Sutherland.''

''Ben Tice, Susan’s eldest son, also delivered his statement directly to Sutherland, who hung his head and did not make eye contact.

“Truly the most haunting is the question of why,” Tice said. “Why would (you) take the life of my mother and Ms. Gilmour? What right did you have?”
''Sentencing has been adjourned until March 22 when a decision is expected.''

 

[dotr]

All fine and well that the killer ''learned the path of a good human being', then why did he not turn himself in, he had 40 years to do that? imo.
rbbm

The end of a ‘40-year marathon’: Families of Erin Gilmour and Susan Tice confront Toronto cold-case murderer

Joseph Gordon Sutherland faces an automatic sentence of life in prison with no chance to apply for parole for at least 10 years to a maximum of 25.

www.thestar.com

''Sutherland said not long after he killed the women, he experienced PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) and “needed to ask forgiveness.”
He pursued a “spirit quest,” which involves entering the spirit world. While he did not know the two women’s names, “they knew me, and were waiting,” he said.
Sutherland said he found Susan Tice’s spirit “warm and kind” and “she forgave me,” he said, near tears. “I felt the weight lift from my heart.”
However, Erin Gilmour’s spirit was “young and angry,” and “she did not forgive me,” he sobbed. “I was sad, but I understood, I understood.”

''Sutherland said those spiritual experiences were turning points for him. He found his way out of darkness and learned the path of a good human being''.

 

[dotr]

'Mar 4, 2024 #GlobalNews #CrimeBeat #Toronto
In a packed Toronto courtroom, family and friends of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour addressed convicted killer Joseph George Sutherland Monday, sharing how the unsolved murders of the two women who lived alone, four months and roughly four kilometres apart in 1983, left them scared, empty and grief-stricken for nearly 40 years. “You murdered and assaulted two wonderful women and went on to live your life. Your free life is done,” said Ben Tice, Susan Tice’s oldest son, remembering his mother as a light force whose tragic death has left him feeling exhausted, depressed and suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. Sutherland sat quietly in the prisoner’s box with his head down, gazing at the floor. For nearly four decades, Toronto police knew Tice and Gilmour were attacked and sexually assaulted by someone who had broken into their respective homes prior to their killing, but it was not until 2021 that investigators were finally able to serve Sutherland with a DNA warrant. Crime specialist Catherine McDonald was in court as the families of the victims got to finally speak about how the killings left them grief-stricken.''

 

[dotr]

March 22 2024 rbbm.

HUNTER: Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour cold case killer gets life sentence

A lousy childhood, a booze problem, a Gladue Report and 39 years of keeping his nose clean didn't matter.

torontosun.com

''The 62-year-old Moosonee man was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 21 years on Friday. He will be in his 80s if he’s ever allowed to emerge from the perpetual darkness that is prison.'

''As for other uncaught killers and rapists like Joseph George Sutherland, Smith said they should spend their days looking over their shoulders.
“Genetic genealogy has made the unsolvable solvable, whether it’s murder or sex assaults,” Smith said.
“My message is: Don’t rest easy. We’re coming to get you.”

‘Really long road’: Cold case killer sentenced to life for ’80s Toronto murders - Toronto | Globalnews.ca

In 2000, DNA analysis suggested the two women had been murdered by the same suspect. The families waited another two decades before they were given a name.

globalnews.ca

''He was married between 1995 and 2000 and had one son, a 22-year-old who lived with him at the time of his arrest. Sutherland’s ex-wife said he was never violent during their relationship.''

 

[dotr]

HUNTER: Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour cold case killer gets life sentence

Joseph George Sutherland gets no chance of parole for 21 years

www.timminspress.com

SPEAKING FOR THE DEAD: Det. Sgt. Steve Smith and Det. Stella Karras of the TPS cold case unit. BRAD HUNTER/ TORONTO SUN
'The 62-year-old Moosonee man was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 21 years on Friday, March 22. He will be in his 80s if he’s ever allowed to emerge from the perpetual darkness that is prison.''

 

[dotr]

DATELINE! Dateline’s Evil Walked Through the Door airs April 19 at 9 p.m. ET.

Susan Tice-Erin Gilmour cold case murders getting Dateline treatment

Two of Toronto's most infamous murders are getting the Dateline treatment on Friday night.

torontosun.com

Apr 18, 2024
Josh Mankiewicz reports Friday, April 19 at 9/8c on NBC.

DATELINE FRIDAY SNEAK PEEK: Evil Walked Through the Door

The separate murders of two women in Toronto ignite an investigation that spans four decades, taking detectives from the big city to a remote, northern town. Josh Mankiewicz reports Friday, April 19 at 9/8c on NBC.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[othram]

After 40 years, one of the most difficult investigations in Toronto history is solved. Watch tonight 9/8c. NBC Dateline's
Josh Mankiewicz tells the story with the Toronto Police Service and Othram! Kristen Mittelman from our team breaks down the details of how DNA cracked the case. Tell your friends and don't miss it!

 

[othram]

For the original announcement on DNASolves, visit:

The Killer of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour is Identified

Toronto Police Service Uses Othram’s Genetic Testing Platform to Solve the 1983 Murders of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour

dnasolves.com

 

[dotr]

For the original announcement on DNASolves, visit:

The Killer of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour is Identified

Toronto Police Service Uses Othram’s Genetic Testing Platform to Solve the 1983 Murders of Susan Tice and Erin Gilmour

dnasolves.com

Thank you for this awesome solve! From link..
''In 2019, investigators began an investigation that included the use of forensic genetic genealogy, with the assistance of Othram. The Toronto Police Service and Othram have collaborated on multiple cases, including the 1984 sexual assault and murder of Christine Jessop.''

''Othram used Forensic-Grade Genome Sequencing® to build a comprehensive DNA profile from the remaining trace DNA evidence in the crime. The profile was delivered to the Toronto Police Service and through the use of genetic genealogy, the TPS homicide team was able to identify a suspect in these murders, residing in Moosonee, Ontario. The investigation was led by TPS Detective Steve Smith.''