GUILTY Canada - Taliyah Marsman, 5, & Sara Baillie, 34, Calgary, 11 July 2016 #2

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  1. nobodyzgirl

    nobodyzgirl Well-Known Member

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    Let's hope the Judge comes back with 2 first degree consecutive sentences, he deserves nothing less.
     
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  2. dogmatica

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    I'd be very surprised if she didn't.
     
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    otto Verified Expert

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    I wonder how Downey will manage in prison. The Liknes/O'Brien murderer Douglas Garland had a rough time because of murdering a child. I do hope that Downey will have the same problems in the prison population.
     
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  4. dogmatica

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    Garland was attacked in jail, or the "Remand Center". In prison he's kept in solitary. The same will happen with Downey - the Canadian taxpayer will fork out extra to keep him safe from other inmates. I haven't heard of anything happening to Downey in remand - my guess is that after the attacks on Garland, they won't let that happen again. I think child killers are most vulnerable in jail, while awaiting trial or being transferred to prison once convicted.

    Infuriatingly, Downey will be offered the best protection - something little Taliyah and Sara were denied.
     
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    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Yes and Downey likely has connections to other gang members in prison who will watch over him, while Garland appeared to be an oddball loner. From what I understand, the reality is gang affiliation is as strong inside prison as involvement with drug dealing and prostitution on the outside. Downey will probably fit right in :(
     
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    I'd be surprised - I think even gang members have a conscience when it comes to child murder. I hope you're wrong, anyway. Either way, he'll be tucked away safely in segregation. So wrong on every level.
     
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    I admit I’m totally disillusioned with our prison system for various reasons, one being I have a close friend who works in a federal medium security prison and it seems more like a country club to me. I wish the media would better educate the public through in-depth featuring of “life in prison” but as they’re not allowed inside that won’t happen. My view is the general public would be totally disgusted by how well inmates are treated given our noble Canadian efforts at rehabilitation all those who are incarcerated.

    The thing is almost all prisoners cry that they’re innocent and their convictions were unjust, it’s them versus the establishment. So imo it’s somewhat of an urban myth that there’s a divide based on the nature of the crimes they are convicted of. The notion of jailhouse justice probably comes from movies and TV shows imo.

    But the good thing is Downey is no longer free, protecting the lives of other innocent people.
     
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  8. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Double-murderer Edward Downey to face sentencing hearing in March
    “Lawyers for Downey and the Crown appeared before Justice Beth Hughes on Monday to set the hearing for March 8...

    .....Hughes could order Downey to serve a minimum 25 years before he is eligible to seek full parole, or impose consecutive periods of parole ineligibility.

    If so, Downey would have to serve 50 years before seeking his freedom from prison.....”
     
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    iulia Well-Known Member

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    Hear my deep sigh, hoping this attempt will be unsuccessful and his defence is just reaching. Elected officials or spouses are ineligible for jury duty but I’ve no idea what specifically is connected with unforeseen “political jobs” that’s the issue.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...litical-connections-baillie-marsman-1.5098871
    “Defence lawyer Gavin Wolch has made an application for a judicial review that would examine the juror's political connections to determine if she is considered ineligible to serve on a jury.

    "This was certainly not foreseen," said Wolch when explaining why the issue with the juror's employment was not brought up until after the verdict.

    The Jury Act lists several categories that would exclude people with particular political jobs from serving.

    The juror in question is active with both provincial and federal parties....”
     
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    I know that defense lawyers have to do their best to defend their evil, cold-blooded, child- killing clients, and I wonder how they handle this. Do they lose sleep if the killer gets off, or do they celebrate it as a victory?

    If this results in a mistrial, I am confident that the verdict will be reached by another jury. I wonder how defense lawyers, who know their clients are guilty, feel about having tax payers charged a huge additional cost for another trial due to a technicality?

    I would be a horrible defense lawyer. At some point I would say "F... it, I'm done, he got what he deserved." And I would sleep at night.
     
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    Nancy Hixt on Twitter

    He was sentenced to consecutive life sentences

    At least 50 years before he can apply for parole.

    Excellent news
     
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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/edward-downey-murder-baillie-marsman-1.5143721
    “The gravity of the offence, Mr. Downey's moral blameworthiness and his degree of responsibility are at the highest level. After kidnapping Taliyah, Mr. Downey planned and deliberated upon her murder for some hours before he killed her," wrote Court of Queen's Bench Justice Beth Hughes in her decision....

    ....."By murdering Taliyah, Mr. Downey killed the sole witness to her mother's murder. His text conversations after dumping Taliyah's body outside of the city reveal a callous and remorseless individual," wrote Hughes.

    Before handing down her sentence on Tuesday, Hughes rejected Downey's bid for a mistrial.

    Defence lawyer Gavin Wolch had argued for a judicial review based on the discovery of one juror's political connections which could have been in contravention of the Jury Act which prohibits certain people from serving based on political employment....”
     
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