Canadians starved Native children in the name of science

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  1. matou

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    This is outrageous.

    A University of Guelph post-doctorate student was doing research on something else and came across some vague references to "studies done on Indians."

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...in_nutrition_experiments_researcher_says.html

    more articles and responses to come...
     
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  3. matou

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...in_nutrition_experiments_researcher_says.html
     
  4. txsvicki

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    Horrible. Probably other "studies" were done in addition to malnouishment if they dig deeper. The effects of starving should have been known world wide by 1942.
     
  5. matou

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    The war obviously had an impact on "science" in Canada. :thumbsdown: :snooty:
     
  6. matou

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    I don't think the government believed they were helping anyone. Nishawbe people were considered the **** of the country and they actively tried to eliminate them via policy (Indian Act) and residential schools. I agree more will become uncovered through this.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...in_nutrition_experiments_researcher_says.html
     
  7. matou

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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...boriginal-nutritional-experiments-canada.html
     
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...boriginal-nutritional-experiments-canada.html
     
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    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ungry-malnourished-aboriginal-children-paper/
     
  11. nao

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    jmo in some ways it has'nt changed too much at some of the more northern or remote band lands. The food stores are, more like corner stores little selection and expensive, and the income is often very low. Don't know how that can be fixed thou. moo
     
  12. brighidin

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    That is because the North West Company has a monopoly on bringing food to the North and they inflate prices ridiculously. Ten dollars or more for a litre of milk. Profit before people. In the 1970s, George Manuel wrote that reserves are like the fourth world and that still holds true. Getting rid of private enterprise will help. So will self-government. It isn't a full solution, but it would be a start. Ending the effects of years of policies of assimilation and racist state policies isn't easy.
     
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  14. otto

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    It seems to me that it's all a matter of perspective. What I'm reading is that some first nation people got vitamin supplements and enriched flour - both good for them - when the rest of the Canadians did not get those dietary improvements. All mention for children being deprived of milk rations is left hanging, and tied to an absence of documentation.

    "“This is a period of scientific uncertainty around nutrition,” said Mosby. “Vitamins and minerals had really only been discovered during the interwar period."

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    "The first experiment began in 1942 on 300 Norway House Cree. Of that group, 125 were selected to receive vitamin supplements which were withheld from the rest.

    At the time, researchers calculated the local people were living on less than 1,500 calories a day. Normal, healthy adults generally require at least 2,000."

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...utritional-experiments-paper/article13246564/

    I really have to wonder why it is mentioned that not all children received the vitamins. Some did, and that is what matters. I bet there were plenty of non-first nation people that got no more than 1500 calories per day and who did not get the vitamins.

    So vitamins had just been discovered as being beneficial. There was a group of people that had 1500 calories per day during World War 2 (that's at lot more than many people had during that war). These people had land and lived off the land for generations.

    Some of these people were given a the newly discovered vitamin supplement.

    What am I missing? Who did something wrong here?
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    Any suggestions about studies on children were not followed up on and there doesn't appear to be any related documentation - so on what are the claims based? If the school rationed the milk, maybe it was related to poverty.
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    Regarding enriched flour, what is in the enriched flour that was not yet legal in Canada:

    Enriched Flour or Enriched White Flour:

    (d)shall contain in 100 grams of flour
    i.0.64 milligrams of thiamine
    ii.0.40 milligrams of riboflavin
    iii.5.30 milligrams of niacin or niacinamide
    iv.0.15 milligrams of folic acid, and
    v.4.4 milligrams of iron

    (e) may contain

    (xv) in 100 grams of flour
    A.0.31 milligrams of vitamin B6
    B.1.3 milligrams of d-pantothenic acid, and
    C.190 milligrams of magnesium

    http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/labeti/inform/flofare.shtml

    Enriched Flour 1940: "The international effort to start enriching flour was launched during the 1940s as a means to improve the health of the wartime populations of the British and United States while food was being rationed and alternative sources of the nutrients were scarce. The decision to choose flour for enrichment was based on its commonality in the diets of those wartime populations, ranging from the rich to the poor. A major factor in the switch to enriched flour in the United States was the U.S. Army's restriction in 1942, that it would purchase only enriched flour."

    Enriched flour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  15. otto

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    As with all the rest of the people in Canada, during war time, or just after WW2, when most of the world was starving and rations were common, many went without vitamin supplements and enriched flour.

    It only takes a few minutes with someone that lived through WW2 to understand that no one had anything in the 1940s. The world was a war machine at that time. Why would anyone that had lived off the land for generations expect someone else to bring them food when people didn't have anything?
     
  16. txsvicki

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    Enriched foods are now by some to be very bad for us. Especially the folic acid.
     
  17. Nova

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    Otto, I believe it is considered unethical to deny beneficial treatment from people (especially growing children!) in the name of research.

    So whether the comparison group would have normally received vitamins or not, it was unethical to given the enrichments to some and not to others.
     
  18. matou

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    Hey great, lets use already segregated and marginalized groups of children that the gov. already wanted to assimilate anyway and perform experiments on them. Great idea! No problem at all, right? wow. JMO
     
  19. Tugela

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    What about medicine?

    Is this not what "Obama care" attempted to do in the US, but was rejected by most Americans?

    Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!!
     
  20. Tugela

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    They weren't performing experiments on them, they were helping some people, but not others, and monitoring the results. This happens all the time today.

    It would be different if they claimed to be giving food that was really sawdust as a placebo for example, but that is not what happened.
     
  21. Flinders

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    But this 'experiment' was done during WW 2 prisoners of war. How much can I limit prisoner to food.
     

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