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Thanks so much cecybeans for saying what my brain couldn't spit out!!:blowkiss:
This thread was started with team work, let me tell you. Here you go snow_walker. Hope this is something on the line where we can get started on your thought.:blowkiss:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85681&page=19
cecybeans Post #472
I can see where all of you are coming from and why this might seem difficult. Some of us think KC's lies and "fantasy" stories about herself come from the fact she could be a sociopath. Some people think they might be from the fact that they were a coping mechanism for living in a family like hers, or perhaps learned from CA, who certainly is very good at creating "alternate realities" to make the facts conform to her wishes. In fact, several of KC's friends use those very terms to describe her - I can't remember if it was Kio, Amy or Annie, but one of them said that if something bad had happened to Caylee, KC would have reconstructed it in her mind to be something totally different. JG, even though he admitted her lying was "diabolical" also said something to the same effect, as if she often lied to create a perfect world whether from insecurity or some other motivation.
From what I can see, no one is arguing whether she is legally insane - she certainly knew right from wrong and that is evidenced by her elaborate stories she created to cover up Caylee's death. And all of us have opinions about what we might or might not label her personality disorders - that does not seem to be the issue either. Or whether she was lying because she enjoyed it, or to cover insecurity, or to manipulate people or for all those and maybe a host of others.
Let me know if I haven't got this straight, but it seems to me you want to talk about the inconsistencies between the things KC said and did and what was really true or that we can verify actually happened - and leave out the psychological speculation.
Maybe someone could start a thread similar to the ones on GA and CA entitled "Inconsistencies" with what KC said, told others, etc. and what we know really went on so that there is a record. I would also suggest that it might be nice to identify things that she said that we don't know yet are true or not but may have simply taken for granted as a group since they have been present from the outset, or supported by others but who did so only using her as their source (so that they are completely hearsay).
I think that would be a useful addition, to separate the contradictions (call them lies, mistruths, fantasies, whatever) from the actual verifiable facts. If someone starts that thread and makes it clear that the discussion is about comparing inconsistencies but avoiding speculation as to WHY then it could provide a useful list for later.
(For instance, she told various people she knew "Zanny" for six years, four years, two years, etc. - but WHEN did she tell each of those people those stories?) So perhaps, we could make not only a list of inconsistencies but a timeline of when they appeared and to whom they were told.
This thread was started with team work, let me tell you. Here you go snow_walker. Hope this is something on the line where we can get started on your thought.:blowkiss:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85681&page=19
cecybeans Post #472
I can see where all of you are coming from and why this might seem difficult. Some of us think KC's lies and "fantasy" stories about herself come from the fact she could be a sociopath. Some people think they might be from the fact that they were a coping mechanism for living in a family like hers, or perhaps learned from CA, who certainly is very good at creating "alternate realities" to make the facts conform to her wishes. In fact, several of KC's friends use those very terms to describe her - I can't remember if it was Kio, Amy or Annie, but one of them said that if something bad had happened to Caylee, KC would have reconstructed it in her mind to be something totally different. JG, even though he admitted her lying was "diabolical" also said something to the same effect, as if she often lied to create a perfect world whether from insecurity or some other motivation.
From what I can see, no one is arguing whether she is legally insane - she certainly knew right from wrong and that is evidenced by her elaborate stories she created to cover up Caylee's death. And all of us have opinions about what we might or might not label her personality disorders - that does not seem to be the issue either. Or whether she was lying because she enjoyed it, or to cover insecurity, or to manipulate people or for all those and maybe a host of others.
Let me know if I haven't got this straight, but it seems to me you want to talk about the inconsistencies between the things KC said and did and what was really true or that we can verify actually happened - and leave out the psychological speculation.
Maybe someone could start a thread similar to the ones on GA and CA entitled "Inconsistencies" with what KC said, told others, etc. and what we know really went on so that there is a record. I would also suggest that it might be nice to identify things that she said that we don't know yet are true or not but may have simply taken for granted as a group since they have been present from the outset, or supported by others but who did so only using her as their source (so that they are completely hearsay).
I think that would be a useful addition, to separate the contradictions (call them lies, mistruths, fantasies, whatever) from the actual verifiable facts. If someone starts that thread and makes it clear that the discussion is about comparing inconsistencies but avoiding speculation as to WHY then it could provide a useful list for later.
(For instance, she told various people she knew "Zanny" for six years, four years, two years, etc. - but WHEN did she tell each of those people those stories?) So perhaps, we could make not only a list of inconsistencies but a timeline of when they appeared and to whom they were told.
:woohoo:
