~*~ Caylee's Law ~*~

Discussion in 'Caylee Anthony 2 years old' started by Kavya01, Jul 5, 2011.

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  1. ColdDayIn

    ColdDayIn Well-Known Member

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    How could this law punish good and hard-working parents? The only way a parent would receive punishment is if they don't report their child missing or dead...only a bad parent that has something to hide wouldn't report their child missing or dead.

    Furthermore, this law would help children because it would be a deterrent for parents to prolong reporting an accident, could possibly save a life. While the verdict of this trial could have an impact on parents thinking they can get away with murder, Caylee's law would deter anybody who has watched this trial and thinks they too can get away with what Casey has. Nobody will ever be able to pull a Casey move and party for 31 days while their child is missing and get away with it.

    Tennessee already has a law in place that parents DO have to report a missing child, but no punishment if a child is not reported. It's not going to take much to make a revision to the standing law and add punishment to it. IMO it's well worth the legislation's time an the taxpayer's money.
     


  2. AnaTeresa

    AnaTeresa Well-Known Member

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    From Why Caylee's Law is a Bad Idea:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/caylees-law-casey-anthony-_n_893953.html

    It's overly broad and too vague. Furthermore, it won't prevent any child's death. The parents this law targets? Have already killed their kids. It's not going to save that child's life. It's a law that has far too much potential to harm innocent parents, rather than prevent real crime.
     
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  3. MissJames

    MissJames a yellowflutterby changed my life : )

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    What's overly broad and too vague?
    I haven't seen a completed bill yet and since we know there's always tweaking,as well as input from citizens and the other legislators,what we are seeing now are only first drafts.
    The petition raises awareness and each state will decide IF to have a law and if so,what that law will be.
    We also don't know if it will save a child or not but we just witnessed a huge loophole for ICA and I,for one (of 1,175,752! ) want to see that closed.

    I just don't see how responsible parents ,who have not harmed their child,will be hurt by a law like this.It's pretty straight forward,IMO.
     
  4. AnaTeresa

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    Did you read the quote from the article? It lays out at least ten reasons why the law is overbroad.

    • Medical science cannot pinpoint exact time of death. Say the cut off is one hour: they're not going to be able to tell you if the child died at 45 mintues or an hour fifteen.
    • People grieve differently. There has been no input from grief specialists who can talk about the various NORMAL reactions to grief.
    • Because the law can easily sweep innocent parents into it, it then becomes up to the prosecutor to decide who to charge. Someone might be innocent, but not a nice person. The time frames provided are not realistic.
    • If you're searching for a missing child, depending on the circumstances, you may miss the cut off because you're searching.
    • The law is vague when determing the difference between a missing child and a deceased child.
    • For parents in rural areas, transportation of a child to a medical facility may take more than an hour. The hour cut off is ridiculously overbroad.
    • Most parents aren't looking at the clock at the exact moment their child dies or goes missing.
    • If a child dies while sleeping? Or an older child left when the parent goes to the grocery? You can be outside that hour through no bad act of your own.
    • How do you count when a child "goes missing"? The parents could easily assume they are at a friend's house sleeping over - and again, miss their deadline.
    • Some diligent parents will overload the system with false reports, so that they won't be charged with a felony, when this isn't the situation at all.
    • This could easily be used in child custody cases by battling spouses against each other.

    This whole statement that "there will always be tweaking" - a law shouldn't have to be tweaked. It shouldn't be pushed by emotion to be passed too quickly, and thus avoid careful drafting. A law should have a logical purpose, and with criminal statutes, at least some basis in preventing crime - which this one won't. It's not scientifically supportable with forensic evidence at this time, and it's going to be a waste of law enforcement energy. I don't know how more clearly I can illustrate that.
     
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    I agree, and every law in American history had to start somewhere. Every new bill should be carefully scrutinized before implementation, and I suspect that Caylee's Law will follow that path.

    During the drafting phase, an effort can be made to precisely craft Caylee's Law, so as to avoid collateral damage to law-abiding parents.

    Any legislator who sponsors a bad law will be answerable to his state constituents. I know that in Louisiana, a Caylee bill might not be implemented until 2012, and this should provide ample time for careful, detailed analysis.

    I would hope that the concerns raised by our fellow posters here who oppose the new bill will be given a fair hearing, so that a quality law will emerge. I think the one million plus signers so far will support a thorough and patient development process for the new law, so as to protect the innocent and close the loophole you described.



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  6. eileenhawkeye

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    Could this potential law stand on its own without attaching itself to a child murder victim? Could it get through the legislatures pre-2008? I feel bad for all the congresspeople who are going to be made to look like "child murderer lovers" if they vote against this bill.
     
  7. Omachka

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    Sheriff Demmings was asked in today's presser what he thought of the idea of Caylee's Law and if he felt it would cause strain on his department. Question and answer are at this link at around the 6:45 mark. Looks like he thinks it is a law that should be enacted and he hopes it will be. I can't say I'm surprised. I've spoken to several friends who are local LE here in Orlando. All I've spoken to so far have been for the bill and think that it will give them more investigative tools to work with.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/28524185/index.html
     
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    Bill O'Rielly just concluded yet another segment singing the praises of Caylee's Law.
    He's adopted the crusade so much he uses the term "we" as in, (as be said tonite), "Caylee's Law is on the way to becoming law in 18 states ... and by the time WE are done it will be in all 50 !"

    Just another reason to respect the most common sense, straight talking person in TV news these days.
     
  9. whiteangora

    whiteangora I'm on the right track baby. I was "Born This Way"

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    I meant the TN Legislature in a collective way.
    I am for the law and although Lauryn was from Memphis, I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been any non reported missing children from Nashville. That public defender's statement sounded like fiction to me.
    Any parent that doesn't report a missing child deserves whatever punishment comes their way! Most normal people with nothing to hide would do the right thing.
     
  10. Controversialist

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    I appreciate your clearly stated case. IMO, a law can exist not only to prevent crime, but also to make a statement, to express a society's values. A law can be used to reveal a society's philosophical stance about proper behavior. At that point, deterrence is a bonus.

    Speaking for myself, IMO petition signers in this case want to make a statement to parents who might one day emulate ICA:

    []-- Lie to LE for 30 months about the manner of your child's death.
    []-- Never call in EMT staff with expertise to assist in your child's accident.
    []-- Tell lies that knowingly cost the public large sums of time and money.

    The new law, as I understand, would say that such behavior violates the basis norms of civic decency and parental responsibility, to the point that it should be a felony, not a misdemeanor, especially when such behavior might well have impeded the successful prosecution of a murder case.

    IMO this is the spirit of the proposed law (or should be), but I agree with you that the devil is in the details. You're correct to endorse meticulous scrutiny of a new Caylee's Law, to insure that the letter of it conforms to its intended spirit.

    The law should by all means recognize the motive and intent of the parent, as you noted. But I would not expect the legal details of the bill to come forth perfectly formed from the womb. I presume that laws generally go through a formative stage of development, prior to the final, implemented version.

    And I think many of your ideas are very sound and would make a final bill more legitimate.

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  11. MissJames

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    There is no law yet,no bill that is finished,therefore I don't have anything to look at to conclude IT's too broad and too vague.
    I support the petition as a tool to bring this issue to our legislators.To call it a bill or a law is premature IMO.

    BTW The LAW is not what will tweaked ,it the bill to make a law that will be tweaked. That's the way it's done. Someone drafts a bill,it's discussed ,everyone gets their say,things can be changed around,then it's voted on.
    Democracy at work!
     
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    That is not a logical assumption that just because a parent would not report a child missing automatically means that the parents are bad parents.

    If parents have an adolescent that is a drug addict, chances are they are going to have to deal with that child being transient to find access to drugs, regardless of the many steps that a parent could take. While I have talked about this before, I'll bring it up again. My parents were good parents, but my brother had/has a horrible drug addiction. It began in junior high school and escalated by the time he was 15 to 17. He disappeared frequently. The first few times that he did, they would file a missing persons reports. However, he would consistantly go missing for a few days or up to a week, in one instance it was two weeks. Today if this law, as it is written, were in effect, and LE were to find him dead overdosed, it would be really stupid to prosecute my parents for not reporting him missing because he was so habitually transient looking for drugs. I think that it could argued that there are more parents dealing with drug-addicted adolescents as opposed to parents that you would have to worry about planning their child's murder.


    How is this law going to help children? If a parent wants to kill their child, they will do it regardless of a mandatory law requiring them to report their child missing or deceased. This was one specific case, sure people can point out other examples, but It is not such a problem on a federal or a state level to where it would need to be law. This proposed law/petition was reactionary from the get-go. It is not even really about Caylee IMO, it is about a bunch of people signing a petition because they felt that Casey should have been found guilty of murdering her daughter. And now people want a specific law about it, so if a person who you think murdered their child in the future does get found not guilty again, then they can have a few years of an additional sentence for not reporting the crime.



    That is correct, Tennessee does already have a law in place for making parents report their child missing. And within 48 hours of that report, the missing child is loaded into a national database for missing children. If you are going to mandate felony or misdemeanor charges on top of this, I would imagine you would have alot of parents with no suspicious motives or intent may feel that if they did report the child missing or deceased after the "deadline", that they would be charged accordingly to the law. It may end up being a deterrent to even reporting it out of fear of prosecution. And fining Mom or Dad or imprisoning them is not going to help the other children in that household, especially lower income brackets.
     
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    George Anthony, father of Casey Anthony, gets behind ‘Caylee’s Law’

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    Now, one more person is getting behind the push to enact the legislation: George Anthony, the grandfather of Caylee Marie Anthony and father of Casey Anthony.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...washingtonpost
     
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    I thought I heard it was both CA and GA? I heard it on HLN. Lippman said that both of them went.
    I can see KC now backing up Caylee's law also...she is that nuts!
     
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    That's what they said they were going to do from the beginning - "help find 'missing children'."...except Caylee Marie Anthony was never missing. :(
    Their previous so-called efforts in doing this were ridiculed. I hope Caylee's Law is not tainted. GA -I could stomach - maybe, but he never stood up against CFKC during the investigation. If CA is involved, I'll be sick. Excuse me - she LIED on the witness stand to try to save her murdering daughter.

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    I would have been worried before the trial. All the articles I can find only say George and don't mention Cindy. During his testimony and watching his demeanor during the trial, I think he loved Caylee more than any of them. I'm on the :fence: about Cindy. I think the defense team got hold of her and convinced her that if she didn't want KC to go to death row she needed to help. Perhaps she wasn't aware that she'd have the chance to help during the penalty phase. I'm just not sure if she would have lied without some sort of push. Anyway, I think I might share your concern about Cindy but not about George. So far, it seems to be just him though.
     
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