Chinese spy balloon spotted flying over US

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“Once it came over to the United States, from Canada, I told the Defense Department I wanted to shoot it down as soon as it was appropriate,” Biden said. The military concluded “we should not shoot it down over land, it was not a serious threat.”

In a brief exchange with reporters, Biden expressed his continued displeasure with Beijing. Asked why China launched the balloon over the U.S., he replied simply, “Because they’re the Chinese.”

Sullivan, speaking at an event hosted by the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, said as part of the surveillance improvements since Biden took office, “we were able to go back and look at the historical patterns“ and uncover ”multiple instances” during the Trump administration in which Chinese surveillance balloons traversed American airspace and territory.'
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''VanHerck described the debris spreading on the waters over “15 football fields by 15 football fields square.”

“The payload itself, I would categorize that as a jet airliner type of size, maybe a regional jet. ... Probably weighed in excess of a couple thousand pounds,” he said.''
 

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My Dad is in Myrtle Beach -- wonder if The Retired Folks Condo Complex is buzzin' about this???

BTW he calls it Gray-Head Lane.

I'm told that retired people with bird-watching binoculars have a very good view of the salvage boats in the harbor.

No idea of what is being brought in, but the big Navy ship departed.
 

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NORTHCOM commander: Debris field from Chinese balloon is about 15 football fields by 15 football fields. Balloon 200 feet tall, payload about the size of Embraer ERJs



Unidentified balloons flew in several places including near Norfolk and Coronado—at lower altitude than this year’s & over ocean, per officials who served during Trump admin. Assessment at time suspected China but wasn’t definitive. Not elevated to WH

The earlier suspected Chinese balloons were never recovered by US govt. Some were classified as UAPs — UFOs — at first. The balloons that flew near Guam and Norfolk were thought to have radar-jamming capabilities.

The balloons near Norfolk and Coronado both flew at a lower altitude over the ocean, but within U.S. air space, according to the officials who served during the Trump administration.

But the balloons also differed in significant ways from the alleged Chinese spy balloon that traversed the country last week.

The aircraft spotted during Trump’s tenure were smaller in size and only detected briefly in U.S. airspace. They were first categorized as “unidentified aerial phenomena” by intelligence officials during the Trump years, only to later be identified as balloons. The assessments indicated they came from China, but were not definitive


 
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I give our military way more respect than that. Biden was informed (as far back as when the balloon was spotted over Alaska). I take what Fox News says with a grain of salt.
Why didn’t he ask the military to shot it down well before it entered the US?
Why allow it traverse the US for a week, on its own terms? Around our nuclear missile silos?

This isn’t anything that should be taken lightly or downplayed.

*Almost all news channels are biased (most lean to the left) but Fox has excellent reporting.
 
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Klink also warned that China could use the incident to try and justify 'incursions into Taiwanese airspace.'


Hmmm.....
Wondering if this statement has any merit ?


  • Provoke the U.S. into a reaction : Check.
  • Use the reaction as an excuse to take over Taiwan : Check.

China has had their eye on Taiwan for some time.
Surprised they haven't already invaded ?

If I were the leader of Taiwan or Japan or South Korea I would consider starting a secret project to develop atomic weapons. It's painfully obvious that in the future America won't have the strength or the will to protect our allies and guarantee their independence.
 

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I give our military way more respect than that. Biden was informed (as far back as when the balloon was spotted over Alaska). I take what Fox News says with a grain of salt.

Fox didn’t say anything, the ppl they interviewed said things.



Like blaming the waitress for the food she didn’t cook.

Jmo
 

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Why didn’t he ask the military to shot it down well before it entered the US?
Why allow it traverse the US for a week, on its own terms? Around our nuclear missile silos?

This isn’t anything that should be taken lightly or downplayed.

*Almost all news channels are biased (most lean to the left) but Fox has excellent reporting.
Actually Biden did ask that they shoot it down, before it entered the U.S. The military explained why that was not a good plan. There are a few posts a few pages back, that I provided links to regarding that. And also they were collecting data from it as it passed over the U.S.
 

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Why didn’t he ask the military to shot it down well before it entered the US?
Why allow it traverse the US for a week, on its own terms? Around our nuclear missile silos?

This isn’t anything that should be taken lightly or downplayed.

*Almost all news channels are biased (most lean to the left) but Fox has excellent reporting.
As the Commander in Chief he should have ordered, not asked, the military to shoot the balloon down as soon as it entered US airspace over Alaska or at least over Montana.

Plenty of wide open spaces for the balloon to safely fall to earth. JMO.
 

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As the Commander in Chief he should have ordered, not asked, the military to shoot the balloon down as soon as it entered US airspace over Alaska or at least over Montana.

Plenty of wide open spaces for the balloon to safely fall to earth. JMO.
No way to know it would fall safely. Debris was over an area of 10 miles.
 

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Even helium balloons cause problems.. fwiw
2018 rbbm.
''In the popular imagination, balloons often represent freedom and joy. But as every adult knows, a profound disillusionment accompanies the release of a balloon as a child—namely, that what goes up must come down, and often with a loud pop.

And so it went with the 1.5 million balloons that were released in September 1986 over the city of Cleveland. The United Way of Greater Cleveland, a nonprofit, staged a fundraiser in which it attempted to beat Disneyland’s Guinness World Record for the most balloons released simultaneously. But fate intervened, and the result was both more unusual and tragic than anyone could have imagined.

Nathan Truesdell’s short documentary Balloonfest depicts the helium-filled spectacle using archival news footage from local television stations. When the balloons are first released, they form a mass of colorful orbs that wraps around Cleveland’s Terminal Tower, by turns resembling a meteorological phenomenon, a mushroom cloud, and a locust infestation. The image is both awe-inspiring and haunting.

The film’s mounting sense of dread prepares us for what happens next: The balloons are promptly brought down by an approaching storm. They wreak havoc on the city, litter Lake Erie, and, tragically, impede a Coast Guard search-and-rescue mission for two missing fishermen. Balloonfest serves as a sobering reminder of the shortsightedness of humankind.

''Jun 12, 2018
In September 1986, the city of Cleveland attempted to set a special record: the simultaneous launch of 1.5 million balloons. But fate intervened, and the result was both crazier and more tragic than anyone could have imagined.''
 

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No way to know it would fall safely. Debris was over an area of 10 miles.

IMO, if they had time ( hours) to clear the airspace over Myrtle Beach area, they could come up with a plan to use military to safely cordon off an area in the open and vast wildnerness of Montana. Call the governor, give a heads up...you know. Transparency.. MOO
 

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No way to know it would fall safely. Debris was over an area of 10 miles.
VanHerck said the massive debris field left behind by the destroyed balloon is about 4,921 feet by 4,921 feet – "more than 15 football fields by 15 football fields."
There's 5280 feet in a mile. So 10 miles is not accurate. JMO.

 

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I have no doubt we're being lied to by the CCP when they say it's a "weather balloon" that somehow drifted 5,000 + miles off course, and wound up in Montana ?
Sorry but this feels as if the entire USA is unprotected and that's scary.
M00.

The question is about coastal air defense systems, but probably they are geared at recognizing "the usual" threats, missiles. Some balloon floating very high, or a tiny plane flying low don't look like one. Question is, how dangerous can they potentially be? Not known. Another question, how "friendly" is the atmosphere above the Pacific for random balloon to reach the US and not deflate on its way? In other words, is it a potentially common hazard, or, the weather conditions have to be unusual for it to happen.
 

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The question is about coastal air defense systems, but probably they are geared at recognizing "the usual" threats, missiles. Some balloon floating very high, or a tiny plane flying low don't look like one. Question is, how dangerous can they potentially be? Not known. Another question, how "friendly" is the atmosphere above the Pacific for random balloon to reach the US and not deflate on its way? In other words, is it a potentially common hazard, or, the weather conditions have to be unusual for it to happen.
The US has similar balloon tech. MOO they don’t want to reveal how sensitive their surveillance is, which is known once the coordinates are given for detection.
NORAD is a real thing and it is working IMO.

The attraction of balloons to all militaries involved is that are that they are lower cost method of spying than satellites and apparently capable of stationary positioning.
I believe in the briefing it was mentioned by the military that the balloon appeared to under greater steering control than they would expect.
You know they want to physically get their hands on that tech. MOO, doesn’t matter what the seas are like, they know what they are looking for.
And I believe they will find it.
 
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Twice a day, every day of the year, weather balloons are released simultaneously from almost 900 locations worldwide! This includes 92 released by the National Weather Service in the US and its territories. The balloon flights last for around 2 hours, can drift as far as 125 miles away, and rise up to over 100,000 ft. (about 20 miles) in the atmosphere!
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A transmitter on the radiosonde sends the data back to tracking equipment on the ground every one to two seconds. By tracking the position of the radiosonde, we can also calculate wind speed and wind direction. The radiosonde is powered by a small battery.
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A parachute, attached to the end of the balloon, allows the radiosonde to fall slowly to the ground at speeds less than 22 mph after the balloon bursts. Each radiosonde contains a mailing bag and instructions on what to do if you find one. About 20% of the 75,000 radiosondes sent up each year in the US are found and returned.
 

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There's 5280 feet in a mile. So 10 miles is not accurate. JMO.

I’m reminded of the meme about how Americans will use anything but metric system with the football field by football field measurements but I’m about to do it myself. 4921 feet by 4921 feet is 24216241 square feet. At 43560 feet per acre, gives you just under 561 acres.

Given average ranch size in Montana is 2125 acres with 28100 farm and ranch operations covering 59700000 acres of land one would think find a spot to drop it would have been feasible.


Furthermore Montana has over 30 million acres of state and federal lands

I think they waited because they didn’t want it over land, not knowing exactly what was in it.

All IMOO, except math, math isn’t opinion.
 
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