CO - 1- dead 8-injured after shots fired at STEM School in Highlands Ranch, 7 May 2019

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  1. JanetElaine

    JanetElaine Well-Known Member

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    It's a bit confusing to me. This article (link below quote) for example says this:

    "The school filed a lawsuit, denying all of the allegations and accusing the parent caller of slander and invasion of privacy. The lawsuit sought to issue a subpoena for phone records that would reveal the identity of the caller."
    bbm
    Suspected Colorado STEM shooter joked about school shootings, students say

    That would suggest the school does not know who the caller is.

    JMO
     
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  2. Trino

    Trino Well-Known Member

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    My kid wouldn't go back to that school. IMO there's a lot that needs to be investigated.

    Lawsuit filed by school IMO is finished - seem the person who made the accusations may have been correct.

    Predicted lawsuit re: private security guard use vs. deputies.

    Predicted lawsuit re: lockdown vs. Alice plan, i.e. what was the school's official plan? When was last drill?
     
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  3. Reasonable & Just

    Reasonable & Just United We Stand

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    Maybe the abuse dynamic Alec grew up with helped create a toxic stew where he identified with the bully in order to save his own neck. It's not a big step to go from appeasing/flattering a bully to covering for them and then actively assisting them in terrorizing others. Happens all the time, at all levels of society.
     
  4. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Im thankful the security guard was there, present, and engaged in stopping the carnage. With the previous 50% SRO who had attendance issues due to illness, there may have been no security or LE of any sort present if the school had not taken the initiative to hire their own full time security service.

    Yes, he likely fired his weapon, and we know there were at least TWO active shooters at that time. No one has suggested that his actions were reckless or criminal. From every report and indication, the security guard was was rapidly THERE in one of the classrooms with gunfire, engaged in protecting the students, and stopping and restraining the shooter until LEO's arrived.

    Should he have run and hid himself instead? Like the SRO in Parkland?? Should he have given the shooter a hug? Tried to reason with an active shooter? No, I don't think so. He immediately engaged in the situation to STOP the shooter. He's a former deputy and a veteran. He knew what to do, and he did it without hesitation, and saved lives. By every single report.

    I don't think we should insinuate or malign the security guard's actions at this point, and suggest his actions were criminal. That is enormously offensive, IMO.

    No one has given any indication his actions are considered potentially criminal in this context, and his actions have been openly praised for helping to stop the shooter. He is fully cooperating with the investigation.

    The security guard present at STEM has an impressive resume. I'm glad he was there. I'm thankful for his dedication and bravery. I'm doubtful that he will face any criminal charges.

    STEM School Highlands Ranch shooting timeline: 14 minutes of terror at Colorado school

    **STEM still had a contract for a part time, OFF DUTY officer with a patrol car on campus whose duty was primarily to direct traffic outside 3 hours a day. We have no idea if that LEO was present, but no has said the off duty officer was there during the shooting incident. This is in addition to their full time private security guard, who is a military veteran and former Jefferson county deputy.

    STEM School, sheriff's office disagreed on resource officer

    The other question we have to ask is why public and charter schools are charged so much by the county/ state for a full time SRO that they can only afford a 50% contract with another school?

    Clearly the private security firm's prices were more affordable for a full time guard. Clearly, the school received a full FTE for the same, or lower price than they would have had for a 50% SRO-- and the service commitment had been a problem for quite a while apparently. I side with the school district on their decision. I understand competing conflicts of budgets, contracts, and service needs. The county was unwilling to provide what they needed, and wanted, for the safety of the kids. I'm glad they pursued other options, as well as keeping the off duty traffic control officer a few hours a day.

    Private security guard saved lives at STEM school shooting

    Hopefully his name will be made public soon so he can be thanked and recognized for his service and actions. I think that will happen the end of next week, after the investigation is further along, and formal charges are filed on the 2 accused.
     
  5. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    This was such a lovely gesture. Very heartwarming in such a terrible time. Kendrick was truly a remarkable young man. I really can't imagine the grief his family is experiencing.

    Some School of Mines grads wear Kendrick Castillo stickers
     
  6. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    Except for those who actually fight the shooter, I suppose. In two recent shootings, two young men rushed the shooter and both were shot dead. If you are not armed and you run towards someone with a gun, chances are you are going to get shot and killed.
     
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  7. enelram

    enelram Well-Known Member

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    I've seen this dynamic several times- child has mom in his life, she's there. Dad is gone and probably was a neglectful father-
    maybe absentee or just ignored kid. Kid is yearning for more fatherly attention and in his screwed up mind detrmines Mom is bad (remember she's still there in his life) and kid projects his
    anger on Mom and Dad ends up the hero good guy.
    All because Dad was not there for kid, probably ever.
    And yes, DV and dad's treatment of mom affect kid's thoughts too.
     
  8. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Most recent update on all of the student victims:

    The Latest: Dispute meant no officer at school during attack
     
  9. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I think it is irresponsible to train children to fight a shooter. The security guard let the kids endanger themselves and also may have shot a student.

    JMO
     
  10. Trino

    Trino Well-Known Member

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    Re: resource officer
    It should be obvious a law enforcement trained deputy has more experience and training than a hired security guard.
     
  11. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    More and more, there are discussions about arming teachers with guns.

    I would prefer that all of these school shootings should be studied, give some university a huge grant, to interview people involved, in depth analysis of data, and see what is the correlation between all of these school shooters. Several are still alive, pour over their MMPI's, whatever, and find out how to stop this situation.

    Arming teachers is not the solution!
     
  12. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    This particular security guard is a former marine (and has a lawyer who is now speaking for him).

    I agree, you would think the training and experience that a public peace officer (law enforcement) receives would be quite different than the training and experience of a security guard or marine.
     
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  13. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    ITA. My brother is former Marine Corps Captain but he isn't trained in law enforcement or hostage situations. The school was trying to save money and that's scary.

    JMO
     
  14. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    Do you know if schools get a special budget for the protection of the children and staff, or does the money have to come out of their regular budget?

    Seems like it would be such a huge expense, above and beyond the teaching needs. Perhaps requiring the hiring of one or two fewer teachers to be able to cover the expense of protection?
     
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  15. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean the taxpayers were trying to save money because that is who pays for the school.
     
  16. Trino

    Trino Well-Known Member

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    I certainly didn't mean to demean your brother. Hope you didn't take it that way. It's just as you said. A deputy sheriff receives a different type of training.
     
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  17. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    In light of the STEM shooting, Douglas CO Commissioners are “considering” putting an extra $10 million towards school security. Too bad it took a school shooting to get the ball rolling.

    Douglas County to consider $10 million in new funding for school safety
     
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  18. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    If my son “joked” consistently about shooting people at school - I would not think it was funny or normal.
     
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  19. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if the $35 million agreed upon a year ago, specifically for police officers in schools and school security upgrades, passed the required House vote in Colorado (it was agreed in a Senate vote).

    It sounds as if perhaps the schools have been struggling to pay for protection until now/very recently.

    Colorado could spend $35 million to protect schools
     
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  20. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    Another thing I have noticed about the training, is that Colorado has minimum requirements for training of SROs.
    Something a security guard in a school may not be required to undertake - they could be just that, a security guard.


    New policies in Colorado are often touted as a progressive approach. A 2012 revision in the state’s education statute set minimum requirements for SROs, so the Colorado Peace Officer Standards and Training Board developed an SRO curriculum. Before then, some departments offered extensive specialized training, others relied on a 90-minute video describing some of the problems they could encounter on the job. Some departments didn’t even do that.
    Most States Don’t Train School Cops to Deal With Kids
     
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