CO - Dylan Redwine - Forensics Discussion- *WARNING!* MAY INCLUDE GRAPHIC DETAILS

Discussion in 'Dylan Redwine' started by ColdHands, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. cattlekate

    cattlekate Well-Known Member

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    I do not believe the evidence will be released for burial anytime soon. It is a homicide.
     


  2. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering if it might be helpful to compare this poor child's case to that of billionaire pilot Steve Fossett.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fossett"]Steve Fossett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    For those who may not be familiar with the story, Fossett went missing while on a short flight in an experimental aircraft, never returning to the exclusive private airport owned by his friends. Two years later, in September 2008, a hiker found a wallet with money and Fossett's ID in it on a slope in the Sierra Mountains, along with a jacket he'd been wearing. Fossett was found shortly after, his body and plane were at about 10,100 feet.

    It took a while to find Fossett's remains as searchers were hampered by the onset of winter weather. They were scattered due to animal predation.

    Fossett's case and Dylan's have some similarities WRT exposure to weather, altitude and terrain. If anyone is interested, it might be helpful to study more of the details of his case to compare with Dylan's and what happens when a body of a person who died an accidental death is left exposed for a long period of time.
     
  3. Ghostwheel

    Ghostwheel Pyrrhonist

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    It would be fascinating to find out if being left out in the elements for 7 months would be drastically different from being left out for 2 years. Do animals drag remains a certain distance, then come back and move them again? Could this happen several times over the course of months, or just seasons? Or do they just get taken to a certain area, consumed, then left?
     
  4. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure, its possible they could be moved more than once, though it doesn't seem likely that would happen with clothing, shoes, etc.

    According to this article (and news was sketchy about Fossetts recovery, there weren't many people who could reach the area) the bones that were found that eventually were ID'd as his were about half a mile from the crash site. Other reports said "near" not saying how near.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7707397.stm

    IIRC, the bones and clothing/ID/cash were not found together.
     
  5. Tink56

    Tink56 MOO...IMO

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    You're right about the bones and clothing, etc.

    Interesting stuff...Here's a couple of other articles..

    http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/special-report/steve-fossett/james-vlahos-text

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ound-in-wreckage-of-Steve-Fossetts-plane.html
     
  6. Dr. Know?

    Dr. Know? Former Member

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    Eileen730 Former Member

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    Could it be that mark laid the pipe that's there? Is this the type of work he did..... Or delivered the drainage pipes to that area? If so he would be well aware of the area!
     
  8. sayd

    sayd Say-D

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    So, since this thread is posted as graphic, I will add this. I once watched two very large coyotes kill a very large jack rabbit. To my complete surprise they started eating the head first. Crunch, crunch, they swallowed bone and all very quickly. The only reason I am posting this is earlier in the thread people were indicating that the skull should have been left from the animal scavenging. I don't see that as likely at all. Coyotes aren't terribly discriminating...
     
  9. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    Thank you TGI - I had not considered traces of DNA could be found on a shoelace. Now it really makes me think how important the shoelace may be.
     
  10. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    I think the NecroSearch International team was able to assist LE in many ways. They appear to be an awesome group with many experts in different fields. I posted this in the search thread. I thought it would be useful here too. LE had put together a great search team. The website provides further information on each of the methods used by NecroSearch.

    Methods used by NecroSearch International​

    -Animal Sign and Scavenging
    -Human and Nonhuman Bone Identification
    -Botany
    -Hydrology
    -Meterology
    -Geology
    -Geophysics
    -Computer Analysis of search area data
    -Scent Detection Dogs
    -Entomology
    -Search Techniques
    -Excavation Methods

    http://www.necrosearch.org/methods.html
     
  11. SCHMAE

    SCHMAE Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if this question is forensic in nature, but we don't have a lot of options for posting this morning :p
    Could Dylan have been left higher up the mountain :( and snow melt placed him in that low lying ditch area ?
     
  12. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Good thought. I heard a story of a local girl who searched the dens for evidence of her cat and found its collar.
     
  13. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Wow, thanks for this info.

    I'm also wondering if they've found an area which is physically dug up / disturbed as to indicate if Dylan might have been initially buried before the animals scavenged.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about the specific location or situation, but in general that sounds like something that's possible.

    In some of our UID cases, only a skull is found; because it's harder and heavier it tends to survive more environmental stress and not move as far from its original location. I would expect them to be looking uphill and upstream...
     
  15. ColdHands

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    Just occurred to me, the shoelaces might have been used as a garrote :(
    I don't think that would be easy to prove, given the physical remains we've been told about.
     
  16. mrsward

    mrsward Active Member

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    Does anybody know if the bones and items have been found together ? Seems strange to have shoe laces but no shoes..could be that someone has been placing the items in that spot.
     
  17. Ghostwheel

    Ghostwheel Pyrrhonist

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    Having shoelaces and no shoes makes me think back to the abductor theory as well as the father did it theory. Why would there be shoelaces and no shoes. As was posted on some thread somewhere, perhaps Dylan carried his shoelaces in his pocket and left his shoes open (some kids do that). Or perhaps the laces were just loose, and the shoes kind of open and an animal or bird took the laces for a nest. Or maybe there were just pieces of laces found (we don't know how much they found).

    Other alternatives: used as a garrotte as posted above
    Used to tie hands and/or legs.
    Used as a tourniquet (slipped, fell, cut an artery)
    Used to tie something on to something else (like if carrying a water bottle slung on a shoulder)

    Of course, I wouldn't be hiking with no shoelaces, though, even if I didn't want to carry the water bottle.


    Other reason why there would be shoe laces and no shoes?
     
  18. CHERIE.T

    CHERIE.T Former Member

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    Nowadays kids often loosely weave their shoestrings instead of lacing them. imo
     
  19. northxnorthwest

    northxnorthwest baby sleuth

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    Just throwing this out there but sometimes guys or younger teenage boys wear a single shoelace as a belt (idk if two at a time I've usually just seen 1 but it's possible maybe 2 as more support?). It's kind of trendy or a style thing but I also know its also way more comfortable for skating because no belt buckles and its really thin.

    But I think the shoelaces were just ripped up out of the shoes
     
  20. asyousay

    asyousay Well-Known Member

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    I think with only 2% found of Dylan that not finding his trainers is not astounding . We don't even know if this is where parts of Dylan was just found . His original place could of been miles away if animals got at him. Mark was cruel for coming out with this details hours after the news was broken but he i assume he ia correct in saying "Dylan is scatted all over middle mountain " that would include his clothing i would assume IMO.
     

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