CO - El Paso Co., WhtMale UP11472, 30-40, Midway Ranch area, Nov'86

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  1. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Well-Known Member

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    http://gazette.com/authorities-hope...n-el-paso-county-30-years-ago/article/1591745

    http://www.kktv.com/content/news/He...his-John-Doe-in-El-Paso-County-405067576.html
     
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  3. Romulus

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    Doe Network
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/72umco.html

    In the poster also Namus link ;)


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    [TD]The Doe Network

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    Artistic rendering of the victim


    Unidentified Male

    Date of Discovery: November 3, 1986
    Location of Discovery: Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
    Estimated Date of Death: 1985 to 1986
    State of Remains: Not recognizable - Traumatic injuries
    Cause of Death: Homicide (Multiple skull fractures, single gunshot wound right temporal region, blunt force trauma to the facial area)
    Physical Description

    ** Listed information is approximate

    Estimated Age: 30-40 years old
    Race: White
    Gender: Male
    Height: 5'4" to 5'8"
    Weight: Unknown
    Hair Color: Brown
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
    Dentals: Available. No dental restorations. Several broken and/or fractured teeth. Missing teeth # 8, 10, and 32.
    Fingerprints: Not available.
    DNA: Sample available - Not yet submitted .
    Clothing & Personal Items

    Clothing: Blue/green sweatshirt, Calvin Klein jeans (size 30x33), and a brown belt with a yellow metal buckle.
    Jewelry: Possible leather watch band or wrist band.
    Additional Personal Items: Unknown
    Case History

    The victim's skeletal remains were located in a field in southern El Paso County.
    Investigating Agency(s)

    If you have any information about this case please contact;Agency Name: El Paso County Sheriff's Office
    Agency Contact Person: Detective Jeff Nohr
    Agency Phone Number: 719-520-7155 or 7225
    E-Mail
    Agency Name: El Paso County Coroner's Office
    Agency Contact Person: Robert Bux
    Agency Phone Number: 719-390-2450
    [HR][/HR]Agency Case Number: LE: 86-4787; ME: 86A-334
    NCIC Case Number: U223901513
    NamUs Case Number: UP #11472
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
    Information Source(s)


    Namus: https://identifyus.org/cases/11472

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  4. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Active Member

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    The estimated height of 66 inches in Namus for a man is small. I think 5'8" is more realistic. And if he realy was that small that would be a good identifier.

    Romulus did you find something about the teeth? Was this the result of the attack, post mortem or just bad theeth?
     
  5. Bit of hope

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    CO CO - WhtMale, 30-40, El Paso Co., Midway Ranch area, 3 Nov 1986
    Date found November 03, 1986 00:00 City Colorado Springs, State Colorado, county El Paso
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    [TD]Probable year of death
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    [TD]1982 to 1986
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    [TD]Estimated postmortem interval
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    [TD]Years
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    Born between 1946 - 1956
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    [TD]Adult - Pre 40
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    [TD]Minimum age
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    [TD]30 years
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    [TD]Maximum age
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    [TD]40 years
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    [TD]Race
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    [TD]White
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    [TD]Ethnicity
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    [TD]Sex
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    [TD]Male
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    [TD]Weight (pounds)
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    [TD], Cannot Estimate
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    [TD]Height (inches)
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    [TD]66, Estimated
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    UID estimated 66 inches, between 5’6” – 5’7”, between Ca. 167 cm - 172 cm
    Hair and eye colour not known
    Calvin Klein denim jeans size 30/33 (manufactured in 1981); Light blue/green fragment identified as a possible sweater or sweat shirt; 1" wide brown belt which was fragmented and partially gnawed upon with yellow metal buckle. Possible leather watch band or wrist band. No shoes…..
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1091dmtx.html within birth range, 5’7”
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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4726dmmn.html to long 5’9”, to long born in 1951
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3297dmca.html 5’8”, outsite birthrange
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4879dmmd.html to lang 6’1”, born in 1953
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/703dmny.html 5’8”, geboren in 1945, nose/face different imo
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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1426dmfl.html 5’8”, to long, outsite birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4715dmwi.html 5’8”, to long born ca. 1958, outsite birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4842dmca.html 5’8” to long outsite birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1249dmnv.html 5’8, to long, born 1952 missing from Nevada….different face/ears
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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/14dmky.html 5’8” outsite birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1902dmfl.html 5’8”, to long, born 1950

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1292dmor.html 5’8” out of birthrange
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/22dmco.html !! colorado, to young, out of birth range

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/428dmny.html 5’4” – 5’6” (64 inched – 65 inches) born in 1952

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3981dmwi.html 5’8” born in 1955, Namus states 68.0 to 69.0 that would mean to long
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/631dmca.html
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3264dmfl.html missing in 1982 of 1983, 5’6” missing location is “off”, but you don’t know where people go, born 1954

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3898dmks.html out of birth range, born 1936
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3345dmco.html Missing from Colorado, El Paso county to young, out of birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4887dmme.html 67 inches, no picture, no DOB (ca. 1952) to long, outsite birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/706dmca.html 6’2’, born 1957, top site tooth missing, to long
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4663dmfl.html 5’7”, born 1959, outsite birth range
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3907dmor.html 5’8”, born 1946

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/708dmtx.html 5’7”, born 1946.
    I don’t see it.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4078dmms.html 5’7”, born 1951,

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/644dmca.html 5’8”, born 1953,
    totally different face…
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/340dmak.html 5’8”, born 1951

    Ruled out
    Rodney Olsen 1954 Iowa
    Amadeo Vigil 1955 Colorado

    I had pictures in the Original document comparing them to the UID reconstructions but you cant copy them in an easy way......can somebody help?
     

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  6. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Well-Known Member

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    Wow! That is a lot of work, Bit of hope! I don't know how to copy your pictures over but thanks for going through the database and posting. None of them seem to be very close to me. :(

    The reconstruction has a very distinctive nose. I wonder how accurate it is?
     
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    Actualy it is a rule out list and just a few men that could fit....don't get the AHA feeling with none of them except maybe Richard Allen Rhyne, Nelson Roman, Ricky Eugene Osborn and Daniel Hilkey (but to long)
     
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    According to Doe Network DNA is now available for this John Doe. I am glad to hear this, as progress is progress.
     
  11. Bit of hope

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    Did not go here for a while...suggestions for following up? Did anyone submit somebody?
     

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