Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #42

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  1. k-mac

    k-mac Well-Known Member

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    im way behind.
    likely someone has brought it up.
    the story is actually true!
    just didn't happen then :-/

    moo
     
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  2. Blondiexoxo

    Blondiexoxo Studying Forensic Psychology BSc hons

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    IMO we don’t know what sort of life HH has had with the evil LS. She could have been scared of her mother and desperately trying to seek her approval and please her. I wouldn’t be surprised if we learned that LS has manipulated and controlled many people close to her over the years. HH could be a daughter doing what her mother has told her to, afraid of the consequences if she doesn’t follow her instructions. JMO
     
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    krinjee x Well-Known Member

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    Okay that's right. Now I remember the mention of the lack of air bubbles.
     
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    krinjee x Well-Known Member

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    That was me wondering about that. I'm thinking of all things related to comments made by TS. Understanding there was a massive amount of blood loss. Considering that he bled out in his own bed. It is apparent. You seem very knowledgeable. What would be your thoughts on something other than a gunshot? What about cutting the jugular?
     
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    Yes, and the name itself “Eguardo” is unusual. Another “Zanny the nanny” where the name is so unusual, smhh
     
  6. Pink2017

    Pink2017 Well-Known Member

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    Can you explain the bubbles and no bubbles difference please. TIA
     
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    She said she was pregnant and yet never had AS's child all the years they were together?
    Hockeypuck!
    If she was able to get pregnant she would have sealed the deal with AS.
     
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    DBM
     
  9. AbigailHobbs

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    Im confused also about the backdoor opening 10x. AA says Laina was riding her bike for a bit, so what was going on in the backyard?

    Im also skeptical about the whole cleanup situation. In this we are left with a scenario where Gannon had issues with Tee the night before in some fashion and he was being punished it seems with Zelda since Al said no. So an incident the night before, then an illness preventing him from school the day of his disappearance. He's asleep and she photographs him sleeping which ? okay Then by 10 they are in the car headed to petco, they are missing for 2 hours, then back to petco. Gannon and Tee arrives home, but we can't see Gannon. 2:20 they get home and by 3:15 Laina is home so Laina gets sent out. Gannon is presumed dead by this point in the timeline by LE.

    Then LE says that TS says she was raped between 2:30 and 4:30 (there are two versions one seems from 2:30 to 3:30 and another version seems 3:30 to 4:30) but the backdoor which I think is the sliding glass to the backyard was open and closed 10x. At 4:40 she is googling "suede repair kit for sofa" and LE says that it was impossible she was raped then bc of the opening and closing, but also phone activity with texts and calls at 3:41, 3:42, 3:43, 3:45 and then back at 4:11, 4:19, and 4:20.

    That is so little time to really clean what looked like a lot of blood. She seemed to do a good job too bc it wasn't visible to officers when they got there and looking at the main wall photo, it is a lot of splatter. It's definitely a job to clean even parts of a carpet, but especially blood. If there is any texture on the walls and it's sat for a bit even, it'll be harder too.

    So in the cleaning and moving she had to clean the carpet, get all the blood off the walls, clean up any blood from moving him, hide his switch, find a suitcase, get those carpet brushes out that they found in the dishwasher, get rid of his bedding and replace it with new, hide the board in the car, load all of this up so that she could be ready to call the police by 6:55 at which point we dont know if the car was left in the garage or if he was removed before she called? I know everything about this case is strange, but i find it difficult to believe she would leave him and all the things we know she tossed like bedding per LE, stashed in a suitcase in the car while calling the police. I know the police didnt arrive till later, but Id think she would be prepared at the time of the call.

    To add to that, it seems that she wasnt even finished cleaning if HH had to go to the store for some additional items that appear related to the cleaning since she texted at 4:52 with her shopping list. The dollar store receipt is time stamped at 5:14 and then she called EPSO at 6:55pm. Last minute clean up is one thing, but it feels like a lot to get done in a craze. JMO
     
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    “the gate, the blood, the key”, LS
    took GS out of the basement and through the backyard to the gate, imo
     
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    Well I read the whole arrest affidavit, which of course explains the case far better than any news report will, and well at least LS is a really bad liar, and has made so many mistakes, proving her guilt is very easy. I truly hope her daughter is just afraid of her, manipulated by her (imagine having this person as your parental figure for 17 years), and eventually speaks out. So I will for now reserve my judgment on that matter.
    edit: for me the most heartbreaking thing is looking at pictures of Gannon. His sparkly eyes and his smile. What is there to even say? One innocent life taken away.
     
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    I'm not an expert but have watched a ton of forensic testimony over the years and have done a lot of reading.

    Here's a great source for understanding basic analysis of blood stains. Reading it won't make any of us experts (including me!) but does explain patterns in an easy to understand way. That helps with understanding what the AA report says and what it doesn't say.

    Bloodstain Pattern Analysis: Principles

    Expirated blood is blood coming from the lungs or blood that is coughed up (not vomited up) or expelled from the nose with force. (In other words, not an ordinary "drippy" nosebleed.) The air makes the spray have bubbles that aren't seen with other kinds of spatter or cast-off blood. The AA report said air bubbles weren't detected in the blood observed in this case.

    I do not know for sure what would happen if both jugulars on one side were cut. I do know the exterior jugular vein (the one closest to the outside) is much smaller than the interior jugular. Suicidal psyc patients have been known to cut the exterior vein and do survive. Sometimes bleeding stops on its own if it's just a nick (not the recommended treatment though!)

    Pressure in veins in much lower than in arteries. So I think even cutting pretty major veins you'd get a steady flow. Like any pooled blood, the blood from that flow could be cast off if the person was being hit with alot of force, but it wouldn't spatter on its own.

    But cutting an artery (like the carotid that's nearby) would create spurts with each heart beat. The pattern from a cut artery is pretty distinctive because a new pattern is made with each heart beat. There's nothing in the AA report that I saw to suggest a cut artery.

    If someone is stabbed, then an interior artery could be cut. For example, if the abdominal aorta were even nicked, a person could bleed out quickly but most of the blood would be contained in the abdominal cavity.

    JMO
     
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    The basement doesnt have a door I dont think. The rear door appears to come out from the living area to the backyard and then there is a gate but then she would need to walk around the front to the garage
     
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    Yeah, we should wait and see. We should also be open to the possibility that sometimes people who are raised by terrible people, have their own difficulties with morality.
     
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    I'm not knowledgeable on that, but it was mentioned in the AA. It has something to do with blood splatter patterns.
     
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    I'm not arguing the possibility that Gannon could have been shot in his bedroom, I am merely stating that I've seen no LE statement, or conclusive evidence that he was.
     
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    My theory is she was intending to leave the little sister at home alone while she left to deal with other issues, including possibly the hiding of Gannon's body.
     
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    A very common size of particle board is 2ft wide by 4ft long. I wonder if this is where the confusion about a "2x4" is coming from?

    I wonder if the recovered piece is a full 2ft x 4ft sheet? If so, that wouldn't make for a very good weapon. Although pretty heavy and dense, particle board tends to be relatively brittle.
     
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