CO CO - Garfield Co., WhtMale Skeletal 789UMCO, 35-65, in tent, Sep'04

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  1. tatertot

    tatertot Active Member

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    That is a very intriguing potential match, vspin. I remember the AMW episode about the murders Fisher is wanted for; how sad for the children's grandfather who was interviewed in the segment. Fisher's house burnt to the ground so any camping gear he might have taken would have been assumed to be lost to the flames and nobody would have noticed it was missing from the house.

    The back injury is especially compelling. I'm sure there are plenty of people passionate enough about hiking (or any other hobby) to persevere even if they develop back problems that make hiking and camping less enjoyable, but overall there are a lot of similarities between this UID and wanted man.
     


  2. Carolyn H.

    Carolyn H. New Member

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    The thought that this UID might be Fisher (or even another fugitive) makes a lot of sense to me and explains a couple of things, including the 20 packs of cigarettes. A fugitive might simply find an out of the way spot to camp and hide out for a while. So he's got the games to entertain himself and the cigarettes to last for a while. A weekend hiker wouldn't need 20 packs of cigarettes. I've backpacked for years and never took along games of any kind--too tired at the end of the day. But a camper? someone who's staying in one place? Yes, the games then make sense. Also, the money in the plastic bags makes more sense that way (and the amount). I would never take that much money on a backpacking trip or a camping trip.

    And the "Lib" that the notes seem to be addressed to, might well be the person who was helping him.
     
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  3. vspin

    vspin New Member

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    Very great points!

    It was a few years ago I first looked at this case (the unidentified) and I always find myself coming back thinking of new ideas. I discover the Radio Shack "4 in 1" game manual was last written September 18, 2000, but there is no telling if this is a revision. If not, this could push the earliest time of death ahead.

    One thing I noticed is that I can no longer find all the larger photos from the news articles. They're gone. The Doe Network has some, but they're small with less detail. :(
     
  4. JupiterAmmon

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    bump for this John Doe.
     
  5. alllads

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    Bumping for John Doe. I wonder if he originally did have some form of ID with him, but it got taken off by wildlife or something. Otherwise, how else did he want to be identified? He didn't seem to be trying to conceal his identity, and it looks like he meant for "Lib" to get his note. How, if he was not identifiable?
     
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  6. tatertot

    tatertot Active Member

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    Vspin, did you submit the possible match with Fisher? Reading the articles linked from Fisher's Wikipedia page, I saw something I'd missed before:

    http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special22/articles/0404fisher04.html

    The UID was found with a "sweetwater water-filtration kit."
     
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  7. killarney rose

    killarney rose Well-Known Member

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    Just throwing this in. I've had multiple tests and X-rays on my back. I have scoliosis in my upper back and a couple degenerative discs in my lower back. But it does not prevent me from doing anything I want to do. It looks bad enough for the drs I have seen to recommend surgery. I have occaisional back pain for which I will take Tylenol or a muscle relaxer. But it is no where near as bad as it looks on X-ray. Perhaps this is the case with this Doe.
     
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  8. websurfer

    websurfer Active Member

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    :twocents:
    does seem like it could be a match?:seeya:
     
  9. websurfer

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    Decipher....
    heart
    cat
    cross

    bell
    etc.... your ideas?what does it mean as a unit? Names? places both?


    please
     
  10. websurfer

    websurfer Active Member

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    somebody needs to get a computer generated skull face from the skull..
     
  11. tatertot

    tatertot Active Member

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    It appears Robert Fisher is a ruleout for this UID. I emailed the Garfield County Sheriff's office on Dec. 12 asking if this possible match had been compared, and received this reply from the Investigations Commander (I'm not sure if it's okay to post his name):

    Vspin, I hope you don't mind that I asked about the possible match you suggested. I was really hoping this WAS a match. Considering how heinous Fisher's crimes were, it would have been a fitting end if he'd died alone in the woods writing to someone who never came back for him. Now we're back with the likelihood that this is an innocent camper who succumbed to injuries, the elements or suicide and was never found by whoever he spent his last days writing to.

    It's odd that the UID had two plastic zipper bags and yet he didn't seal the notepad in them to preserve it in case he wasn't found very soon after his death. Was he expecting "Lib" to arrive at the campsite on a specific date, but he wasn't sure he'd make it to that day? Or was he not lucid enough in his final moments to think to seal up the notebook?
     
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  12. tatertot

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    There's no evidence that this UID committed any crime, but his statistics are similar to another man wanted for the same type of crime as Fisher.

    William Bradford Bishop Jr., wanted since 1976 for murdering his family, was recently added to the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list:

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...2eb390-c0a5-11e3-b195-dd0c1174052c_story.html

    http://www.kjrh.com/news/national/f...murders-suspect-placed-on-10-most-wanted-list

    * Bishop was 6 feet 1 inch -- UID was 6 feet 0 inches
    * Bishop had a six-inch vertical surgical scar on his lower back -- UID "most likely suffering severe back pain"
    * Bishop would have been 63 in 1999 -- the UID was "anywhere from 35 to 65"
    * Bishop was an avid camper and hiker -- the UID evidently was also
    * Bishop "might keep a journal" -- the UID wrote in a notebook
    * Bishop had a Yale education -- the UID wrote in what I'd consider an eloquent style (though he misspelled "memorial")

    An extreme long shot, but Bishop is thought to have two items in his possession he'd never part with: his father's Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolver and his Yale cignet ring. A portion of the UID's notebook read: "ar on the . . . would you call her...d have it sent...you because I . . . want it to . . . where."

    Maybe this was a request to "Lib" to retrieve his favorite belongings? "WITH MY GRADUATION YEar on the ring...would you call her ANd have it sent TO you because I DON'T want it to BE LOST ANYwhere."
     
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  13. tatertot

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    In the image below, the UID's notebook is on the left and Bishop's passport is on the right. Both printing samples are upper-case with lower-case "i's" and "p's" thrown in the mix.

    http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u316/Rollerwings/handwriting_zps05dfdae1.jpg

    The family passport photo is image #44 on this page: http://www.nbcwashington.com/invest...nt-for-William-Bradford-Bishop-254602021.html

    I'm not sure if that is Bishop's printing, though -- would this be something he'd write in his own passport or would an official have written it for him?

    Bishop's dental records show many fillings, and Doe Network states the UID "had extensive dental work, including gold work, crowns, bridges and fillings in almost all his teeth, suggesting the man had money."

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...fbi-top-ten-list/photo-gallery-dental-records
     
  14. annemc2

    annemc2 her name is Suzanne Marie Sevakis

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    Interesting. Both writing samples use all caps except for "i" and "p."
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Is there a photo of the skull available somewhere?
     
  17. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    No, there isn't AFAIK.
     
  18. Backwoods

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    I wonder if he has any (surviving) Bishop family members whose initials would be LIB?
     
  19. carbuff

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    Carl, do you have any idea where this thread might have disappeared to? The link gives an error and search doesn't find it either. We had a bunch of research in there about the camping equipment, the maps and the routes he might have followed, etc. I hope it's not lost.
     
  20. websurfer

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    :seeya:
    when this case was first out.I did copy the picture from the website
    in the pic was the skull.
    That was a while ago.
    I will look to see if I still have the pics?
    if not/
    How would a person go about requesting the pictures from all sides of the skull from the sheriff there?
    they now have those 3 d printers I wonder if a picture could be turned into a skull replica of this man?
    does it cost anything to have the sheriff get pictures or is it public knowledge now? Public records?
    I really want to see a skull of this subject...:seeya:
     

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