CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase* #4 - LWOP

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Maisiebelle

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@larryryckman: Aurora law enforcement officers are gathering for a news conference now outside the courthouse. #theatershooting


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@joe_vacc: Arapahoe county DA @GeorgeBrauchler and some Aurora PD look like they will speak next. #theatershooting

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Do you really think this would happen?


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All I'm saying is that it's not impossible. Saying it is doesn't make it true. It's the same argument that anti DP advocates always use.
 

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So they found the aggravators outweighed the mitigators but still not enough for death. IMO it was Brady's closing that saved his life.


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I am going to agree with this...the amount of guilt she placed on anyone that would vote dp was really unbelievable and I'm sure at least one thought they were doing the right thing to give mercy and not kill one more person. She will probably move on to private practice and command top $$ to defend murderers...this was a big big win for her.
 

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@pstenser: “This is a position I didn't know I would find myself in.” @GeorgeBrauchler says about #TheaterShooting life without parole decision.

@larryryckman: Much pain, many tears among disappointed family members and victims outside the #theatershooting courthouse https://t.co/jFIlQqKPva

@ehernandez: Sullivan said at least one juror "infiltrated" the jury to make sure the death penalty wasn't reached no matter what. #theatershooting

@pstenser: #TheaterShooting DA @GeorgeBrauchler says he is frustrated, but believes the jury deserves praise. "Those jurors did a hell of a job."


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I think it's JH's apparent lack of sympathy for his victims that disappoints me more than anything else.
 

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@pstenser: “This is a position I didn't know I would find myself in.” @GeorgeBrauchler says about #TheaterShooting life without parole decision.

@larryryckman: Much pain, many tears among disappointed family members and victims outside the #theatershooting courthouse https://t.co/jFIlQqKPva

@ehernandez: Sullivan said at least one juror "infiltrated" the jury to make sure the death penalty wasn't reached no matter what. #theatershooting

@pstenser: #TheaterShooting DA @GeorgeBrauchler says he is frustrated, but believes the jury deserves praise. "Those jurors did a hell of a job."


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BBM - Like I said a few minutes ago, it sounds like the Arias sentencing phase all over again.
 

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I think it's JH's apparent lack of sympathy for his victims that disappoints me more than anything else.

One would think that if he had any sympathy for the victims, he would not have done what he did to begin with.
 

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If someone is against giving him the death penalty, it's highly unlikely that forcing them to deliberate longer would change their mind.

Being anti-death penalty myself, if I was a juror, the judge could keep me there the rest of my life, but it wouldn't change my decision.

So, why would you ever be on a death penalty qualified jury? If truthful, you would never be.
 

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This is why I don't understand why they weren't told to deliberate more.


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I thought the same thing...6.5 hours...someone had their mind made up prior to phase 3. There is no "dynamite charge" in Colo. so judge could not do anything.
 

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I know. I thought it was stupid they didn't accept it. This trial cost millions. What a big waste of money. I'm sure they asked the victims and families and they said no. Go for DP.

But I get why they went for the DP. This was a heinous massacre. Meticulously and rationally planned well in advance. And I will never forget how he ordered people to stand up and come out from where they crouched hiding and terrified trying to save their lives, demanding that they come out in the open to be murdered.

Society demands its pound of flesh. And if we give life to those who've killed less, how is life justice here?

That's what, I think, the prosecution was thinking and why they sought the ultimate penalty.

I am personally ambivalent. I'm actually against the death penalty. But paradoxically, I feel certain people deserve to die. (I just don't think government should have that power). And I think regular prison affords certain inmates luxuries they do not deserve. And so, I don't feel bad when people like scott peterson get sentenced to death.

Yet in this case, I think he never would've been put to death anyhow in Colorado.

Regardless, I just can't ever forget how well he planned, how carefully he selected his location and hour for maximum devastation, and how he casually and determinedly ended the lives of 100% innocent and unsuspecting people who were just out to have a bit of fun.

It makes my blood run cold.
 

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One would think that if he had any sympathy for the victims, he would not have done what he did to begin with.

This is what I tend to think with killers like JH. I don't expect them to show remorse when they're in court because I think they wanted to commit the murder, in some cases they even enjoyed it. These types tend to be extremely self-centered in general, so again, I would not expect them to have or express any genuine remorse.

I recall when Gary Ridgeway was sentenced and was forced to sit there and listen to the families of his victims scream at him, cry, etc. The only time he showed any sadness was when one of the family members said she forgave him - so tears for himself.
 

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No. It doesn't happen all the time. Appeals are quite hard to win statistically. And there must be reversible error in order to win an appeal. But this trial was run very well and Holmes was given his day in court. What theory could he possibly win on?

Also, there is no way in hell this guy would ever be let out on bond. That's silly.

You can't possibly know that for certain.....but, it makes people feel better to hear it. Silly? What a strange word considering the topic.
 

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Hopefully the evidence he saw and heard at the trial will haunt him every day.

Nothing will haunt him. They repeated over and over that he still has the same beliefs now as he did then. He has no remorse.
 

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But I get why they went for the DP. This was a heinous massacre. Meticulously and rationally planned well in advance. And I will never forget how he ordered people to stand up and come out from where they crouched hiding and terrified trying to save their lives, demanding that they come out in the open to be murdered.

Society demands its pound of flesh. And if we give life to those who've killed less, how is life justice here?

Thats what, I think, the prosecution was thinking and why they sought the ultimate penalty.

I am personally ambivalent. I'm actually against the death penalty. But paradoxically, I feel certain people deserve to die. (I just don't think government should have at power). And I think regular prison affords certian inmatesuxuries they do not deserve. And so, I don't feel bad when people like scott Peterson get sentenced to death.

Yet in this case, I think he never would've been put to death anyhow in Colorado.

Regardless, I just can't ever forget how well he planned, how carefully he selected his location and hour for maximum devastation, and how he casually and determinedly ended the lives of 100% innocent and unsuspecting people who were just out to have a bit of fun.

It makes my blood run cold.

As far as I can recall the shooter never ordered people to come out from their hiding places........


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Pot is legal in Colorado I wonder how many were high during the trial.
 
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