Found Deceased CO - Joseph Keller, 18, Antonito, 23 July 2015 - #1

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In my opinion, ive concluded that the police suspect foul play and has asked the Keller family to be silent as not to compromise evidence. Whether he was abducted by a stranger or an accidental event seems to be the question. The Kellers arent the kind of people to lay down. They have alot of family here. And as you see our Sheriffs Dept was the ones who requested the FBIs help. We all want the Kellers to have answers. I dont think hes alive. Ok there i said it. But im not in anyway pointing the finger at CG and CF. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt. This is just my thoughts, not facts.
 
SeaEclipse said:
Who is CM? Do you mean CF? And playing football at UTenn doesn't make someone famous. And UTenn is nowhere near CO. And why would the sheriff necessarily know about a relative of one of the boys who reported JK missing? And why would a college football player have the money to buy someone off? One of us is very confused, because I have no idea what most of your second paragraph is talking about.
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Yes, I meant CF. And I was responding to my interpretation of what was posted. I may have misunderstood the wording. It is quoted.
 
OldFashionWithaFlair said:
I agree. There is also a guy on the Find Joe page that is stating Joe was seen running in the wrong direction, again just rumor only, but I'm surprised they haven't deleted that comment, if that is true maybe he did turn to go back early for some reason.
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If this rumor was true, it would be nice to know which direction that was, and who saw him.
 
I haven't seen anything from the Conejos County Sheriff's Office for the inhabitants of the Conejos Valley and surrounding area to be cautious because there is a kidnapper on the loose.
Wouldn't they warn the people that live in the area, if they feel he was kidnapped?

Foul Play may have happened; by whom? And WHY?
If he was taken, maybe they know who took him? Maybe they are watching this person.
Did he meet anyone new?
Did he correspond with anyone new that he met on the travels?
Did he correspond with anybody recently, that may have been in the area? They met up?

My opinion is that I feel if he was taken, it was by someone he knew, not just a Total Stranger.

I also feel if he wasn't "taken" per say, then something horribly went wrong. And nobody is talking.
He seemingly isn't in the area as they haven't found him. If he is in the area, then they missed him.

IMOO.
 
ceci said:
In my opinion, ive concluded that the police suspect foul play and has asked the Keller family to be silent as not to compromise evidence. Whether he was abducted by a stranger or an accidental event seems to be the question. The Kellers arent the kind of people to lay down. They have alot of family here. And as you see our Sheriffs Dept was the ones who requested the FBIs help. We all want the Kellers to have answers. I dont think hes alive. Ok there i said it. But im not in anyway pointing the finger at CG and CF. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt. This is just my thoughts, not facts.
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Thank you. I hope he is just lost and is found soon. How can we learn in which direction they were each running?
 
GigTu said:
Thank you. I hope he is just lost and is found soon. How can we learn in which direction they were each running?
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The rumor is of Joe jogging in the opposite direction from the original plan. Thus not N or up 250 but down and South towards 17 and the River. Rumor only.
 
Treelights said:
If they think he was abducted, plead for them to let Joe go.

If they feel that Joe left on his own, plead for Joe to call LE and let LE know he is ok, if
he doesn't want to talk to family or friends.

If they feel he is not alive, or Is alive but lost, plead for more searches.

Why not be outspoken and talk about your missing loved one?

The More publicity, the better.

The more Joe is talked about, whether it be his character, or the fact he is missing,
then he will be present in people's minds. Maybe when people are out and about, they
will think of Joe, look for Joe.

Have a press conference.

Be Pro-Active!

IMOO.
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I see no point to any of those actions, really. The region has been searched throrughly, by authorities on foot, with dogs, and with a hellicopter. The FBI might be getting invved as well.

If he had an accident, which is what they believe, what's the point in making a media circus? They are going though a difficult enough time as it is.

If there was foul play, well, again, what's the point of being "pro-active"? Think the killer will turn himself in just because his mommy was crying on tv?

They are not outspoken, because there is no point. The specialists are working, why involve the amateurs? Last thing I would need is to be dissected, as a relative of a missing person, on a public forum. "But why did she look at her husband while pleading? Why did she use that picture and not another? Why was her blouse red and not blue?" and so on. Maybe even have Nancy Grace going beserk on our family. No, thank you.
 
Lulu14 said:
I see no point to any of those actions, really. The region has been searched throrughly, by authorities on foot, with dogs, and with a hellicopter. The FBI might be getting invved as well.

If he had an accident, which is what they believe, what's the point in making a media circus? They are going though a difficult enough time as it is.

If there was foul play, well, again, what's the point of being "pro-active"? Think the killer will turn himself in just because his mommy was crying on tv?

They are not outspoken, because there is no point. The specialists are working, why involve the amateurs? Last thing I would need is to be dissected, as a relative of a missing person, on a public forum. "But why did she look at her husband while pleading? Why did she use that picture and not another? Why was her blouse red and not blue?" and so on. Maybe even have Nancy Grace going beserk on our family. No, thank you.
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Who believes it was an accident?
Where is he then if it was an accident?
You mention the region was thoroughly searched. Well, apparently not well enough, if it was an accident.

If there was foul play, then being Pro-Active will ensure that this case will get publicity. Whether it will get solved is another story,
but being pro-active is better than nothing, in my opinion.

IMOO.
 
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Conejos-County-Sheriffs-Office/1595594977375671

From the Conejos County Sheriff's Office Facebook from 7 hours ago:

"Anyone with information about the disappearance or possible sightings of Joe Keller, please call Conejos County Sheriff's Office at (719) 376-6778. If you are calling after hours, press #2. If you get a voice mail please leave your name, phone number, and other information. (You may get a fax tone, but if you do just call right back.) If you are out of our area you may also contact your local law enforcement agency."
 
When the facts of a case are provided, sometimes we will detect a pattern or apply past basic behaviors we've seen in others who ended up being guilty of harming a loved one. It is my understanding that when things start to go cold, even LE will come here and read through, hoping for a new line of thinking that might open up a different way to find new clues. Therefore, as awful as it sometimes is, there is at least "some" benefit to armchair sleuthing. The rules here at WS are strict to protect the innocent - as much as possible while still allowing people to flesh out every possible scenario. We sometimes put our foot down because to us it's obvious what the outcome will be. I often marvel at how on point many of us are with our opinions.

Innocent family members become victims too, when a loved one goes missing. They didn't ask for this. It's unfair, but hopefully any amount of scrutiny is worth it if their loved one is found. Each family will handle their personal grief and fears in their own way. As LE advises families to do what they think is in the best interest of a victim, families can choose to follow the advice, or ignore it. It is not for us to judge either way. A person is missing, and WS is not here for entertainment. Please be sympathetic to the feelings of those who are desperate to find their loved one while examining and discussing theories.

In the case of Joe Keller, the circumstances that have been made available to the public easily align with other cases that have ended with the friend or loved one having harmed the missing person. It's not at all hard to believe that Joe met with foul play at the hands of his travel partners. Having said that, how many times have we been shocked and surprised that a person harmed themselves? Right now, we don't have enough information. And LE and family are not obligated to share their information or feelings with anyone.
 
To provide some background on some of the confusing/missing info out there:

The FindJoeKeller FB page has several admins, operating primarily out of TN. The page was initially setup as a way for friends/family in TN to share the story with connections they might have in the CO/NM area.

Due to the remote location of the search, communication and updates were difficult - especially early on. Things like the search being called of or not called off initially, what the dogs did or did not do, directions everyone ran, etc. were relayed through phone and text conversations and, as always, there is a possibility of miscommunication.

One post also mentioned edits to the page. The page has attracted alot of attention and along with that comes some negative attention as well. In addition to their concern for Joe, the friends and family are also concerned for Joe's friends who were with him on the trip. These boys have been friends for years and are all highly thought of young men. This tragedy has certainly taken a toll on them and the page admins have taken steps to make edits/deletes to protect them from unnecessary scrutiny while trying to keep as much information flowing as possible. It is one thing to
 
I don't think he was involved in an accident. I believe that LE knows pretty much what happened and they are working behind the scenes.

JMO.
 
sayd said:
Mountain lion?
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You would think if that was the case they would at least find his shoes. Also why would the FBI be involved if they suspected a mountain lion. I believe they looked into that idea and they don't really think that is what happened. That's what I gather from the info out there.
 
Mountain lions take off their shoes? They can think what they want, but I am going to bet dollars to a doughnut, some hunter will find this guy's body years from now showing just this. They just love to hunt running prey. Lots of antelope in the area, so I bet lots of cougars. It could be something else, but I think this sounds the most likely.
 
OldFashionWithaFlair said:
I agree. There is also a guy on the Find Joe page that is stating Joe was seen running in the wrong direction, again just rumor only, but I'm surprised they haven't deleted that comment, if that is true maybe he did turn to go back early for some reason. So many questions and SO LITTLE information. If that was my child I would be trying to get on every news station possible. The only reason I wouldn't do that is if PD told me they had a suspect and it would harm the investigation. Everyone handles things differently though. I really don't understand the family that owns the ranch not posting the info on their page either. Very strange. I think PD has a lot of info.
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If you own a working ranch that may be involved in tourism, why would you post about a possible crime on your business facebook page? Personal page? Maybe. Work related? No.
 
wendybtn said:
If you own a working ranch that may be involved in tourism, why would you post about a possible crime on your business facebook page? Personal page? Maybe. Work related? No.
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It's his family. I would think that would be more important to them. That just my opinion.
 
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