Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #13 *ARREST*

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  1. The Night Watchman

    The Night Watchman Former Member

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    So it takes two to solicit. Yet no charges brought on second suspect. Solicitation for murder requires some level of active participation, even if it is not carried out. This means a crime by the 2nd party if I'm not mistaken.

    Maybe the solicitor is talking now.

    Or maybe the solicitor creates a sticky situation for LE.

    Don't want to speculate beyond that.
     
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  2. kizzykat

    kizzykat Well-Known Member

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    Just thinking out loud here. They don't have a body and they don't have a phone, yet they know the phone is in Idaho and they're working to retrieve it. I wonder what the hold up is on getting her phone back? Could it mean the phone continued to ping til the battery went dead? Could her phone be with her and they just haven't been able to pinpoint the exact location?
     
  3. TexLil

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    The DA seemed clear... Solicitation of murder.
     
  4. CrimeAddict

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    So he possibly asked someone to do it, then did it himself, then that person came forward and told LE. Is that the general consensus here? Someone just said the baby is with KB's family now, is this confirmed. It sounds like he was pretty sloppy. I also wonder about the phone, possibly paying a trucker to drive it to Idaho.. unless his family member came forward because they didn't want to be a part of it and said on Nov 25th he was missing for 12 hours.. without his phone..
     
  5. BloodHoundSleuther

    BloodHoundSleuther Well-Known Member

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    I feel horrible for Kelsey's family. The holidays will never be what they used to be. Sadly it reminds me of Heather Elvis going missing on December 18th, just prior to Christmas.
     
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  6. Blondiexoxo

    Blondiexoxo Studying Forensic Psychology BSc hons

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    Wow! Missed so many posts but I’m glad to see PF has finally been arrested. Very sad that it’s looking almost certain that KB is no longer alive. Thoughts are with her family and little girl who hopefully is safe in the arms of people who loved her mum.
     
  7. allboys

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    I think I missed something, as my screen kept freezing during presser. I heard “solicitation,” but I never heard “solicitation for murder.” Did they say that? If not, just wondering if there are other associated “solicitation” charges possible? Ie. Soliciting help in efforts to cover a crime, for example. But I don’t know a lot about the law. Anyone know? Are they only referring to actual solicitation of murder charge? Or are there other forms of solicitation charges that they may have been eluding to in this case?
     
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  8. hindsight2020

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    ...and to have disappeared on Thanksgiving, it may also be the day he killed her. . . .heartwrenching
     
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    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    Stingrays

    Stingrays, also known as “cell site simulators” or “IMSI catchers,” are invasive cell phone surveillance devices that mimic cell phone towers and send out signals to trick cell phones in the area into transmitting their locations and identifying information.
    Stingray Tracking Devices
     
  10. BRRI

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    A second person involved. Whether that person is from Idaho, was hired to kill her and took the phone there, etc. I am betting PF did not take the phone there himself. I also wonder if her body is there too. They said it is a multi state investigation, that they haven't recovered the phone YET, and that they are narrowing in on where her body could be.
     
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    I wonder if he sent her to the store on Thanksgiving, to get her on video? Jmo
     
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  12. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    Possible that PF killed her and then someone else (who refused to do the murder),helped with the disposal of her along with her phone and that is how the phone is known to be in Idaho. Just my two cents for the moment, likely to change as things unfold.
     
  13. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    " we won't rest until those responsible" says a lot
     
  14. NanZDrew

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    I'm guessing the solicitor, or accompliance, is spilling the beans on OF in exchange for immunity.
     
  15. The Night Watchman

    The Night Watchman Former Member

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    Can we get a wellness check on MassGuy? Starting to worry. He talked about his dream of Peter Thomas narrating his own murder last night, haha!
     
  16. Madison418

    Madison418 Overachiever at over-analyzing

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    I was thinking the same thing. Like perhaps the person solicited to commit or help with the crime, transported the phone to Idaho
     
  17. zea mays

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    I don't think it necessarily means a crime for the 2nd party. If they were solicited, started some planning, ended up declining, and just took a long time to come forward because they were scared, I don't think there was any crime committed.

    I think the solicitee or someone very close to them is talking.
     
  18. LietKynes

    LietKynes "Law is the ultimate science."- Liet Kynes

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    SABBM

    ^^^ Bolded bit.

    What we suspected. I am so sorry, Kelsey. *tears*
     
  19. stx722

    stx722 Well-Known Member

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    Not knowing Colorado law at all, but just speaking about what I know. In Texas, you can be charged with
    1st degree murder if you (drove the getaway car, rang the doorbell to someone's house, helped plan the crime in any way, //fill in the blank//) I know of several cases where multiple people get charged, but there was obviously only one person who did the deed.
    Maybe they have other POIs they're not releasing. Someone else was on to him and set him up. Who knows.
     
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    A reporter indicated that his arraignment was postponed twice today, and is now scheduled for next week. Makes me wonder if they are actively in the process of recovering Kelsey.

    What an absolute sorrow, the timing of all of this.
     
  21. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    Or, he asked someone to help him do it, and either the other person said no or yes....but either way, PF proceeded. Jmo
     
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