Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

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  1. susiQ

    susiQ Inactive

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    I can't even let myself think dismemberment :(

    I recall KB's brother saying that her suitcases where all there, but that does not rule out him having brought a big suitcase in to take her out. Goodness knows I've seen suitcases at airports you could put people in and KB was a petite woman.
     
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  2. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    What we know about Kelsey:
    29 years old
    5'3 and 110 lbs

    Employment:

    Flight instructor with a Commercial Pilot's License
    Worked at a coffee shop in Florissant for a few months
    Worked as a Flight Instructor at Springs Aviation in Peyton, CO in 2016
    Currently works for Doss Aviation as a flight instructor in Pueblo, CO (abt 70 miles from Woodland Park)

    Education:
    KB spent most of her childhood attending Crestview School in Moses Lake, WA
    Crestview School is tied to the local Seventh Day Adventist Church which held a vigil for Kelsey
    Trained as a pilot at Big Bend Community College in Moses Lake, WA

    Address and location history:
    Born in Grant County, Washington
    Raised in Warden, Washington
    Kelsey moved to Sandpoint, ID at some point
    Moved to Woodland Park, CO in 2016
    Had a PO Box address in Florissant, CO
    Lived in another townhouse unit in her subdivision before buying her current home
    Current address: 269 E Lake Ave, Woodland Park, CO
    --Home purchased by KB in May 2018
    --2 bedroom, 1 bath Duplex/Townhouse

    Info on KB's Personality and Interests
    “She’s not the kind that runs off. This is completely out of character…Kelsey is reliable, considerate and honest,” -KB's Mom

    'When you're around Kelsey, I think you just feel like a better person, being around Kelsey makes me smile, it makes me smile just to think about her, she's just a good person.' -KB's cousin

    "a little reserved and sometimes soft-spoken" -A former boss

    'I don't think she left willingly. Kelsey's so reliable and responsible, she's a mom, she would never leave her child. She was very excited [to be a mom], and she was a great mom.' --KB's Cousin

    Relatives have described Kelsey as a sweet, quiet woman who radiates a warm energy.

    “When you see her, you want to give her a great big hug and squeeze her cheeks. You can feel the energy coming from her. She’s kind, compassionate and honest,” -KB's BIL

    “She was like the sister I never had.” -KB's BIL

    Kelsey takes a while to warm up to people, but that her relationships are meaningful; Kelsey focused on the quality of her friendships instead of quantity -KB's BIL

    KB enjoyed paddle boarding, canoeing and bike riding -KB's BIL

    KB is a sweet, loving “country girl” who loves horses, hiking and the outdoors. -KB's Cousin

    KB loves hiking, running and bicycling.

    “She looks like such an angel, and I think that she is,” “She’s the kind of person where you feel better when you’re around her.” -KB's Cousin

    “She’s an awesome person. She’s so kind… You can tell she’s a very kind-hearted person,” -a neighbor

    Family info from MSM:
    KB's parents are retired hay farmers and lived north of Warden until a few years ago when they moved to Sandpoint, Idaho
    KB's brother and brother-in-law live in Moses Lake, WA
    KB's Uncle lives in Moses Lake, WA
    KB and her mom talked often; they were attached at the hips since she was little and they were best friends
    KB's mom knew her schedule and when to call her/when not to call because she was teaching classes; It was weird when she had not heard from Kelsey
    “She and her brother spoke multiple times a week, as well as her mom.” -KB's BIL

    What we know about Patrick Frazee:
    32 Years Old
    6'3 and 205 lbs

    Education:
    Went to Woodland Park High School

    Employment:
    Farrier
    Cattle Rancher
    Breeds cow herding dogs
    Rodeo competitor

    Address and location history:

    PF appears to have been born and raised in Teller County
    Currently lives with his mother at 1713 Wildhorn Rd Forissant, CO
    --property searched by LE and owned by his mother
    --35-acre ranch has a one-and-a-half story home and a 1,300 sq ft barn

    Family info from MSM:
    PF's parents are divorced
    PF's mother is a registered nurse
    In addition to the property searched, PF's mother owns 2 other properties in the area
    PF has 3 siblings
    PF's brother SF works for the Colorado Springs Police Department
    A cousin has worked for the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office
    An uncle FF is a retired Kiowa County sheriff

    Info from people who know PF:
    “He worked on my horses for a real short time till he punched one in the gut with a rasp and that was about the last time I let him work on my horses,” -MG

    'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.' -MG

    'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.
    'He got mad, tries to get his vehicle out of there and there's too many cars tightly packed in. Lots of people were there. -MG

    'He was in a rage of being mad and angry, because the heeler didn't heel and they lost out the money. It was kind of a sad deal, especially trying to get the horse out that was traumatic for everybody.' -MG

    A former girlfriend of PF declined to speak to the press but her partner commented saying that he knew Frazee to be aggressive with horses and dogs but that he did not beat his girlfriends.
    “He cheated on her while she was in the hospital, take that for what it’s worth,” the man said of his current partner’s former relationship with Frazee

    'Patrick is a horseshoer, I heard once he was thumping on the horse "saying this is how you've got to do it," that horse reared up and kicked him right in the forehead, he got a bunch of stitches and his [then] girlfriend hauled him to the hospital to get stitches.' -High School Classmate of PF

    'Oh yeah, he's a recluse for sure. I haven't seen him in 10 years or so.' -High School Classmate of PF

    A neighbor heard 'mixed things' about Frazee's alleged rough behavior with animals.
    He was quiet and shy. He had his own friends circle and stayed close to his friends,' he said.
    'He did come across, "I'm a big tough cowboy." But that's that cowboy way, got be strong.
    'That's how he was raised, he raised horses. I think if you're raised country that's normal, if you're raised city it's going to seem harsh. It's not wrong in his eyes. Sometimes there's neglect and over abuse yes, he'd tread the fine line on it I'd say. You've got make a horse submit to what you want to do. You've got to be kind of firm. You shouldn't hit them.' --Former Neighbor HF

    Two friends of Patrick defended him and rejected any suggestion he was cruel towards animals:

    'He's an old fashioned cowboy. He's just old school, he does things the old way. He shoes horses modern, but he trains horses the way people used to do it, I wouldn't say that he's cruel or not. He's a stand up real good guy. I've just known him for years and he's a great person.'
    The friend said he had not met Frazee's fiancée but added: 'I know the day I saw him he was a great dad to the daughter and he's a good guy. He was fine. --Man who saw PF shoe horses in Sept.

    'I know him, when we had horses he used to trim our horses hooves. He was a very nice young man, I knew him all growing up, we used to go to the Gymkhana and the rodeos when he was younger. I've known him since 2003 and I never saw him do anything inappropriate or out of order.' -DR, runs the propane store

    "I've always considered him to be a gentle soul. Soft spoken and just really down to Earth and practical." “couldn’t imagine him doing anything that would harm anyone.” -Friend, SO

    Relationship info reported by others:

    KB and PF met online according to her cousin
    PF helped KB move from WA to CO only months after they met
    KB told her cousin she was happy when she moved to be near PF
    Baby K was born Oct 2017
    They were engaged but did not have a wedding date set
    They have never lived together -- KB's mom

    "The relationship has been good, um, they're loving, um it hasn't been ideal, you know given given the economy and things, you know, they had plans that haven't worked out as they would have liked but they've dealt with that and they've made things work regardless." --KB's mom

    "I mean they had plans, you know, they were planning to find a place for them to live and so forth and the economy with prices dropping out...Kelsey's fiance has some cattle and stuff and prices were poor and so the money just wasn't available as soon as they had hoped, but they make it work."-- KB's mom

    There were no records of any domestic issues between the couple --Woodland Police Chief Miles De Young

    “Like most relationships it has ups and downs but for the most part it's a good relationship,” -Frazee’s lawyer

    Misc Info
    KB owned two vehicles-- a red truck and a car used for commuting to work
    PF also owns a red truck
    Neighbor AG gave KB a baby gate the week before Thanksgiving
    AG had always assumed Frazee lived there with Kelsey and the baby as she would see him come and go in his red work truck.
    AG never heard any arguing
    An employee at Starbucks said Kelsey would pull in to the drive-thru about once a week to get a chai latte

    Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online
    Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
    Fiance of missing mom Kelsey Berreth ‘punched a horse in the gut,’ cheated on his ex while she was in the hospital, sources claim: Report
    Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance
    Mother of Kelsey Berreth asked about relationship between and her daughter and her fiancé
    Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
    Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement
    Fiancee of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is arrested and charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
    Patrick Frazee: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
    Kelsey Berreth's Fiance Is a 'Gentle Soul' Who Would Never Hurt Anyone, Friend Says
    Neighbor of missing mom Kelsey Berreth says she saw red pickup truck, possibly fiance Patrick Frazee’s, at her home the day she went missing
     
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  3. NanZDrew

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    Yes, and in Texas if you are receiving welfare (they call it something different now), the state really tries to find out the father, and will file a petition to establish paternity which will require suspected father's to take DNA tests. The State wants them to take financial responsibility for their offspring.

    If you are married, you are presumed to be the legal father, even if it is not your child. You would have to go through the courts to establish the biological father, and I have seen cases where the nonbiological father still has to pay child support. Usually comes up when there is a divorce and mother says, "You have no rights to this child. It's not yours! " Child custody can be ugly in a breakup.
     
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    ITA.
     
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    That is where my mind went reading comments on how PF held K in some photos. My child and I knew how to get around while carrying her on my hip, then I cared for my friends child, totally different. He was used to being carried differently and it was awkward for both of us. Only explanation I can come up with is that PF's mother did do most or all of the child care.
     
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    I'm wondering if she is somewhere between Woodland Park and Twin Peaks. That would have bolstered his alibi if she were found since the phone pinged in Gooding Idaho.
     
  7. BRRI

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    He wouldn’t have known that though. So he, for some reason, took the risk of going there. Unless of course, the garbage was of no relation to the case.
     
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  8. LAHOLLA

    LAHOLLA Your momma

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    Just looking at her stats again. She was sooo tiny. My 17 year old is roughly the same height and has around 8 pounds on her. She’s a size 2/small, sometimes XS.

    PF was twice her size :(

    As to not violate TOS I’ll just call him a disgusting bully.
     
  9. NanZDrew

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    Perhaps they do not want to jeopardize the investigation, or they are afraid. Maybe they are ashamed and/or disgusted by him. I wonder if his mom would have liked to have him gone, (before this happened) but was afraid of him, especially if her other kids did not live close. Seems to me that he was treating her property as his, and most likely he was going through all of her money.
     
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    "Still isn't an excuse to kill someone".

    Nothing here is an excuse. They are both parents. The laws of our states give dad's the same rights. They are not even married. It really, doesn't matter to me, either way, if either of them dated, but it would not be a motive. Except for a very sick mind.
     
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    Maybe I’m going crazy but I thought we did see pictures? Now I need to look back..

    I can’t find it. I swore I saw a white pickup with big trailer attached and two cars near it.
     
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    ^ THIS ^ Speaks volumes
     
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    Perfectly stated @MassGuy!
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Thanks. I wanted to put together everything that we knew about KB and PF from MSM statements. I'm sure there are some quotes and facts I have missed but this is a start. I have seen a lot of comments saying we know very little about them or their relationship, so I wanted to list what we do know about them.
     
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    Kelsey was a good person, I just know it. :(
     
  16. I hear what you’re saying. I do. I just disagree with your assessment.

    We don’t have clean evidence to support many of the possible motives being floated here...since we mostly just have differing and partial accounts from relatives...some of which are second or third hand.

    We know they never moved in together and that at least one neighbor usually just saw him pick up and drop off the baby. We have heard she wanted to get married but he allegedly cited the economic downturn as reason they couldn’t do that. We have heard they may have broken up. We have been told they weren’t spending the holiday together. We are pretty sure that he killed her. So it’s logical to guess the relationship might have some challenges, ay?

    Some of the most common relationship problems center on money, kids, and unrequited love...so it’s not outlandish to think she could’ve stopped loving him.

    I personally DON’T think there is a second man. But I actually think it’s sexist that you keep implying that would be shameful if she did. She’s a grown adult woman who was with a guy none of us think highly of. As an independent woman, she had every right to be looking for someone else. Continuing to call out “dating around” as if it is somehow a negative behavior treats her like she—as a woman—doesn’t have the absolute right to set her own course and date whoever and as many men as she pleased.

    In my opinion, we are treating her like a strong woman who—if things weren’t going well, should’ve had every option to date another man. You are trying to force us to believe she wasn’t strong enough to break away from him and set her own course...that we are only allowed to believe she still had eyes for him alone despite his shortcomings.

    I don’t think there was another man. We just don’t have evidence to support any of the motives we are considering though. So it’s logical to think either thing.

    NO ONE here is saying any of these things—custody, child support, another man, another woman, etc—is an excuse to kill. NO ONE. And no one here is shaming her.

    I am a strong woman who doesn’t assume other women might not be acting out of strength too.
     
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    This is my first time posting on this particular case, but I’ve been following along and wanted to provide a little insight on this issue.

    I was a labor and delivery nurse for many years (disclaimer: in a state far, far away from Colorado). Where I worked, these were the rules:

    If parents were unmarried, and the father wanted to be listed on the birth certificate, he was required to sign the application for birth certificate and an affidavit of paternity. The affidavit was legally binding and designated him as the father of the child. If there were ever any questions in the future, the listed father would have to go to court and challenge paternity with I’m assuming a DNA test.

    If the mother was married at any time during the pregnancy, the legal husband would by law have to be listed as father on the birth certificate, even if the mother knew he was not the father. For example, if she was separated from her husband and in a relationship with someone else, she could not list him as the father, only the husband. As a result, they would have to go to court and submit to DNA testing to have it changed. That’s likely why the question was asked if your grandchild’s parents were married to each other.

    I say all this to say, I have no idea if PF is listed as father on the birth certificate.
     
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    Or bags
     
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    That is revenue, and I am not sure where Manta gets the information for revenue. It may be anything you want to put in the blank. Cows and horses are expensive to take care of and feed, especially when you have only 30 something acres. The more feed and care you put in them, the less profit. I don't think his revenue after expenses were deducted was much of anything. I feel pretty sure KB made more take home money than he did.
     
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    I am not implying it is shameful,. I am calling out people who are saying that is the motive for her murder JFC
     
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