Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

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  1. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    That’s the million dollar question.

    The true nature of their relationship, is murky at best.

    We just don’t know what the hell was really going on there.
     
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  2. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    But he could have legally prevented her from doing that, couldn't he?
    And I am not sure that a woman of her age who is not physically fit would want full custody.
     
  3. brooks

    brooks Well-Known Member

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    Were they ever engaged?
     
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  4. Whiskers16

    Whiskers16 Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Please steer away from generalized posts about topics like religion, toxic masculinity, etc. Continued posts like this will be removed and warning points or thread bans will be issued.
     
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  5. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Well-Known Member

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    Any news from Idaho yet?
     
  6. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    In many eyes here, we thought PF was responsible due to his actions.
    LE had more evidence than we had.
    Perhaps, as with the Wallen Case, mentioned by a poster recently, LE relied on the family, for more info from PF.
    This would perhaps later, be to his detriment.
    I agree with you allboys, that the media was used to LE's advantage.
    LE arrested PF.
    Perhaps soon, more will fall into place for us, helping in answering our theories.
    MOO.
     
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  7. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    It might have been a long and expensive battle. It depends upon what she had legally filed at the birth. She didnt give the baby his last name. Did she put him on the Birth Certificate? If not, he would have a long and expensive court battle to stop her from moving.
     
  8. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    I know that KB's mom said they were happy and engaged and were looking at cutting down a family Christmas Tree, etc.

    But I think KB was just telling her that to make her situation sound rosy. I don't think they were engaged anymore and they both were just co-parenting that that time. JMO
     
  9. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    Or he wanted people to think that.
     
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  10. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    If there is no court order, and custody has not been established, then both parents have equal rights. Visitation is as agreed upon by both parents. Which in my opinion, only works for so long, and only when the parents are together as a couple. Imo
     
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  11. Stunned

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    Lol! I’m a jerk! When my husband was alive we always came up to NC to cut down our own tree. After he died and I moved up here I thought it would be hysterical to go down to Fla. to get our tree and be seen driving back north with a Christmas tree on top of our van. How the heck did I have custody of our children? But they remember that time of our lives fondly! Crazy Mom!
     
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  12. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I thought she told her mom that she didn't have a tree yet because PF was going to take the baby to get one. Not that they were going as a family to pick one out. Imo
     
  13. Stunned

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    Wow, excellent post!
     
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  14. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    All we have to go on is what Kelsey's mom said, which was that he was her fiance and they were "loving," and they were planning on getting a home together but the economy wasn't good, or something like that. But we don't know of any formal engagement announcement, and they did not have a wedding date, nor did Kelsey have a ring that we know of.
    It was also stated by Kelseys aunt that Kelsey broke up with him Thanksgiving morning, but we don't know if that is something PF told her mom, or where that information came from.
    In my opinion, they did not seem like a happy couple planning to marry. They lived apart and seemed to spend time with the child separately. On the day that Kelsey was last seen, the two of them had "exchanged" custody of the baby. Imo
     
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  15. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    BBM. But again, we only have his word for that.
     
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  16. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Not initially. He would have had to file with the court which would be a lengthy process.
    But I agree that his mom may not have wanted custody, or even now may not even be interested in trying to get custody of the child, especially since her son won't be around any longer. Imo
     
  17. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    True. We don't know if they were not together and were sharing time with the child at that point or he just wanted it to look that way. Imo
     
  18. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    I have not heard her full name or date of birth. I know many unmarried couples will use both names ie. Berreth-Frazee. Most fathers that I have known that were present at the birth and believe they are the father either do the double name or their name. How did you find out that Kelsy did not give the baby his last name?
     
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    The baby was mentioned in the first presser as <modsnip> Berreth by LE. It stuck me as odd that they specifically mentioned it.
     
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  20. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Former Member

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    At the first presser I believe.
     
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