Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

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  1. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    Good point, but awful thought.
     


  2. alucardsdream

    alucardsdream Well-Known Member

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    I was hoping PF would change his tune after a couple nights in jail and tell LE where to find KB in exchange for leniency. Her family already knows she was murdered, he could at least let the family give her a proper burial.
     
  3. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    I really hope that KB is recovered so her family can lay her to rest among those who have loved her and gone on before her. I remember that Shanann's family was so relieved when they had her and her daughters. Her dad said something to the effect, "It's ok, Baby. We have you now." It was so sad but it was probably a very good explanation of how those who have missing loved ones feel.
     
  4. NanZDrew

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    Hopefully they were waiting until Christmas day was over, and tomorrow they will announce an update.
     
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    Climbing skins are devices you put on your skis to give your slick, waxed skis some grip when the ground is icy. Apparently someone took these off his skis and accidentally left them hanging on a tree. Almost everything that has to do with skiing is expensive including climbing skins. It's not creepy that this person is hoping to find his lost equipment.
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  6. Charlot123

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    This guy is probably OK, however, as the holding spot, esp temporary, a mountain is good. Cold. And there are random mountains to climb.
     
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    So the time delay has given PF a bit of a time advantage in terms of LE having to catch up on the fact that Kelsey was missing and was murdered.And that is truly unconscionably.

    BUT that works two ways. PF would be expecting LE to believe his on demand excuse scenario that he has set up for Kelsey's disappearance and later down the track could claim that he didn't remember what he was doing at that time, 'oh it was 3 weeks ago' kinda thing. .

    AND....during this week it is unlikely he had his phone switched off the whole time so I reckon it will be just a matter of time before LE piece together his movements and people involved in his movements. If he had a burner phone or used a mates phone then that is going to make it more difficult. But he is NOT smarter than LE so he better get used to the idea
     
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  8. jillianelaine

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    Great point!!!
     
  9. GeeButtersnaps

    GeeButtersnaps Active Member

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    I would hope for that as well, but the problem is if he tells them where her body is that sure takes away a lot of reasonable doubt. Even though they don’t need a body to prosecute, I would think it would make it a lot easier. So from his perspective and I’m sure his lawyers as well, it probably doesn’t make much sense to give up the location. Unless he’s ready to confess and like you said try to make a deal...
     
  10. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    I do not think this will be the case but their are applications and other software that can relay phone locations. I think in this situation they actually have the phone location and phone. I also think this phone was physically moved to ID but we all should become more familiar with apps and routing techniques.
     
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  11. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    This would be the biggest parts of custody 1) a job or consistent demonstrable business in your ownership and 2) a home rented or owned to provide for the child as a consistent environment. Full-time custody looks like it would stay with KB with visitation to PF if at all. If he had paid consistent child support that might help and medical care. In South Carolina, we have Common Law (law), we means if you live together for any amount time all rights of marriage inact. Not sure about CO.
     
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    hi everyone, i've been reading the thread for several days, following case since start, and decided to join. anyway since the charges what has been in my mind is PF might have asked someone to transport the phone to ID saying KB forgot it when she left for her supposed trip. maybe this person was to meet KB at a location in ID and of course she never showed up. perhaps PF even made a hotel/motel reservation using KB phone for a stop in ID and the phone was to be dropped off there. anyway, very interesting discussion.
     
  13. InvSmith

    InvSmith Sometimes your cross is carried by strangers

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    This means he has no legal claims. He would have to go through DNA testing then the rest of legal filing (if the arrest did not occur). If would have KB's decision how to complete the birth certificate and frankly the first drawn line around protecting her daughter.
     
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    That would be the best thing, but I suspect PF will plead not guilty. It's incredulous in my opinion, but so many murderers do it. Like Dellen Millard he may have enough hubris to actually think he has a chance of getting off. He and his accomplice, Dumb and WAY Dumber, still profess their innocence!
     
  15. dixiegirl1035

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    Iirc, common law does not apply as her mother said in the press conference very clearly they have never lived together.
     
  16. LAHOLLA

    LAHOLLA Your momma

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    I go back to work today. We need a WS emergency text alert system to let us know even we suddenly need a restroom break :p
     
  17. CuriousCricket

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    It was a wonderful experience, even living in an area that did not get a lot of snow. I remember one time big flakes were flying as we wandered around a great-uncle's forest, looking for our tree. It was a magical, memorable time.

    It's great to have hear how Christmas tree hunting works on government property. However, where we live much of the mountain land is still privately owned. You can usually get permission from a relative or someone you know to go wander through the woods to pick out a tree. (I think most people now buy from a non-profit because it is their big fundraiser for the year.)

    There are also pick-your-own Christmas tree farms that have activities and food available during the busy season. Plus, someone to cut your tree, wrap it and tie it onto your car -- all of which you have to figure out on your own when you're visiting a relative's land and choosing your own.

    However, if you had something devious in mind, you would also know where to go that people didn't wander. I suspect that as a boy PF and his friends spent lots of time exploring and running around over the land. Even my city born and raised kid had friends and acreage.

    There's one road where we live that has had several bodies discovered down over the side. May be others, we don't know, of course. Decades ago, a man killed his girlfriend in the parking lot of his apartment complex, put her in the back of his truck and hauled her to that road. Managed to dump her body over the side of the mountain and got into the truck to leave. He was so stressed, he put the truck into reverse instead of forward and backed himself down over the mountain. The weight of the pickup took him further down the hill than his girlfriend's body, where he and his truck remained for a day or two. He had two broken legs and was badly injured.

    His story was that they were set-upon at the parking lot and both taken to be dumped off, but he was convicted of murder and sent to prison.

    There's another mountain, 100 miles or so away, where the Interstate runs up a mountain. It is rumored that the steep sides are another favorite dump site.

    So, if PF had wanted to dispose of anything, I suspect he had remote options that would have required little more of him than a short drive . . . The reason I'm on this thread is because of Teller County in the headline. We visited long ago and loved the area, but from my memory, there would be lots of hiding places.
     
  18. cluciano63

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    I agree about motive. Was trying to come up with Karyn’s name last week, as that the first “custodial” murder I became aware of some years ago...a horrible murder and one of far too many for the same motive.
     
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  19. The Farm

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    Common law is strange and it is not recognized in my state but is in Colorado.

    What I was told is the couple has to "present" themselves as married and I do not know if that includes actually living together.
    It seems to be a gray area to me.

    Maybe an attorney with knowledge of CO. law can weigh in.
     
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  20. ludakristen

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    Domestic violence can be premeditated. I don't think of a domestic violence incident resulting in murder as a one-time crime of passion. Rather the opposite. If this is what happened, then there was almost certainly a history of domestic abuse in the relationship as well, whether it was physical or emotional or verbal.

    I agree with the Occam's Razor hypothesis. Most likely scenario is, in my opinion, KB was in an abusive relationship with the father of her baby and was planning to leave him. IMO, PF would not let that happen. Motive probably a mix of not wanting to give up his child, whether or not he had a good relationship with her, and not wanting to lose. IMO, all about control. He could've planned the murder itself to whatever degree, but that is not mutually exclusive from this being about domestic violence.
     
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