Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

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  1. jillianelaine

    jillianelaine Former Member

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    Can someone PLEASE quote the words CB chose when she said something about KB/xmas decorating/tree shopping.
     
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  2. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    I'm assuming that he removed her body from her home right after the murder. He was driving a red truck, so it's likely that he wrapped her body in a sheet (something like that) and put her in the back of the truck. This suggests that he hid the body quickly and close to her home.

    It's also possible that he returned later to clean up and remove the body, although this means more risk of someone seeing him at her house after November 22. Could he have done the clean-up on November 25, and then used the phone to text himself and work? Did he visit a relative in Idaho on November 25 and leave or hide some evidence at the relative's home?

    I'm guessing that the SIM card was removed from the phone between her house and the text messages to prevent tracking.
     
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  3. kay74

    kay74 Well-Known Member

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    She must have told him she was moving on and taking the baby with her. He wasn't a decent enough person to accept that, not even a man. Did he and his mom want the baby? Was mom a Chris Watt's mom? How did he get her phone to Idaho? Was he stupid enough to think that would prove she left and everything would be fine??
     
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  4. jillianelaine

    jillianelaine Former Member

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    If her phone was NOT found, what theories explain those words from the press conference. "Yes, her phone ended up in Idaho." I don't know enough to know if technology in itself led them to it. I just assumed someone had it, or maybe that someone disposed of it. And in either scenario, that someone is talking.
     
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    My biggest questions right now are:
    1. Where is Kelsey
    2. Where is KB's phone
    3. Did PF have help killing KB
    jmo
     
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    Possible, but LE were in there with heavy equipment which doesn't seem conducive to recovering a tiny little body. Personally, I think she came back in the truck either wrapped in tarp or in a suitcase. If wrapped in a tarp the dogs would pick up on that. So, after he disposed of the body, did he bring the tarp back and hose it down in that area? Or did he switch trucks and use the blue/green truck to take her away? Was the blue/green truck on the property when they brought in the cadaver dogs? So many possibilities. Another thing that crossed my mind is that in some rural properties you have a septic and/or holding tank, but many owners will also have a grey water line that just leaches out into the ground away from the house. Saves on having frequent pump outs. They are illegal in most places but home owners keep them if they are already there and they just don't "advertise" it. My thinking is, if he used his sinks and washer to "clean up" the ground may reveal traces of KB's blood. JMT
     
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    Excellent Post!!!
     
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  9. tictoc

    tictoc Truth will out. Clock's ticking.

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    Was his truck returned? ...I was just following otto's theory, above, and remembered the truck was taken by LE. Returned?
     
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    I haven't seen anything stating his truck has been returned. He wasn't driving it when he was arrested.
    jmo
     
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    He and his family are strange. May be they are loners. Poor Kelsey was oblivious to their ways.
     
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    jillianelaine Former Member

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    If he pinged from Idaho to mislead authority, chances are the body is close to home. Not in Idaho. JMO
     
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    Also what other evidence was located in Idaho that took "several" search warrants.

    dkryder said something that struck me a couple posts back: "...perhaps PF even made a hotel/motel reservation using KB phone for a stop in ID...."

    We are only told of the two texts. But once the cell is found and data retrieved (which now has happened) there could be a plethora of information for LE.
     
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    Gardener1850 Remembering Cupcake

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    Here is a longer raw interview video with the reporter questions:


    About 2:10 the reporter asks: "When you talked to her most recently, what has she said, what has she been like?"
    CB: "She's been happy. She's been wanting to decorate for Christmas and excited about that but she thought that maybe her fiance and K* were planning to get the Christmas tree themselves and so she was holding off on buying something. She was planning her Christmas list and calling people wanting to know what was on their list for Christmas. Her job was going well.. Yeah, I just don't see any issues in her life at this time."

    *Baby's name redacted by me
     
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    At the beginning of the courtship or the so called honeymoon phase of dating, usually about six months. I think most don't pay attention to signs and signals of others demeanor.When things start to go wrong in the relationship they don't have an exit plan and it might be too late by then.
     
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    I believe if the accomplice provided info for LE and is getting a lighter charge or no charge, he/she would still be required to witness against PF at trial. Right or wrong?
     
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  18. Tippy Lynn

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    I hope we hear an update soon. :confused:
     
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    Good questions you ask. IMO- Neither he or his mother really
    wanted the baby full time.

    I haven't seen or heard anything positive about him being the
    great family man, great father or even a loving man. Quite the
    contrary. I think the baby was an annoyance that he accepted
    and was forced to be part time babysitter. I also believe with
    the mom, SF's age and obvious physical problems, she did
    not look at the future hoping to raise a one yr. old child.
    Considering PF's upbringing, I'll speculate that he felt
    abandoned by his own father after the parents' divorce and
    he never learned the loving responsibility of parenthood or
    healthy fatherhood. I just can't buy into custody being a
    motive.

    The motive, IMO, was simple. He wanted KB outta his life.
    I'll betcha he considered her just another b!tchin mama who
    tried to run his life w/ expectations and demands.

    PF didn't want to grow up and act like a mature man. He still
    wanted to be free, independent and selfishly do his own thing.
    As KB's dad said "He was an Odd Duck".
     
  20. jillianelaine

    jillianelaine Former Member

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    By that point in time, he may have been under 24 hour surveillance. Maybe.
     
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