Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

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  1. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes, things are not as they first appear.
    This is going to get interesting, imo.
    Of course we MIGHT expect PF to turn on KK, that she was jealous & hated KB , that she solicited him. Unless she has supporting evidence. IMO, a text won’t cut it. Idk.
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    I agree I would not be above some Chinese water boarding if I thought anybody hurt a family member.
     
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    Going by reports early on, I'm guessing the scene was once bloody, prior to the cleanup. JMO
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    I hate to ask this, but are we sure he is on the right doorstep?

    (not that we are allowed to sleuth her address openly but I'm skeptical :rolleyes:).

    MOO.
     
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    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    If she set PF, for example...if she wanted Kelsey gone but PF to take the fall...
     
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    So here is hoping that KK has some inkling of where KB's body was placed after the murder. With two people so connected by this crime - I hope LE were actually monitoring the calls of PF and KK.
     
  7. Hatch

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    She may be helping LE come up with scenarios where the body may be ! You know he laid out his 3 different plans to her , she being a pre-op nurse she would have access to disabling drugs that work fast .
     
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  8. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Maybe KK hates PF. Thinking of a woman scorned.....
    Plus, the civvie suit. I sure wish HLN had transcripts available so I could bring Joey Jackson’s discussion over.
    (From yesterday)
     
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    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    Now, this is absolutely Machiavellian, brilliant. I LOVE the way you think.
     
  11. Hatch

    Hatch Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a little conjugal visit would get him talking.
    Edit : want to b sure what kind of visit he needs
     
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  12. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    They know where she is. What’s the hurry?
    Maybe the DA wants more info? It’s his call.
    Just guessing,
     
  13. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I’m guessing she’s coming up with a lot of scenarios.
     
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    @MassGuy well spill your guts and give us something more to ponder.
     
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    I am trying to think as PF’s lawyer, if neither of them talk. He could say KK had access to PF’s phone, that the texts were created by her etc...IF the murder charge is based on texts at this point. But feasbily, she could have done it, if she hated PF by that time. (And if she was at Sonic that weekend...) also I write novels lol.
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    I missed those reports. IF P did it, my guess is strangulation or smothering.
    If another person did it, depending on the physical size of the person, it could still be strangulation or smothering, IMO.
     
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    I would use zapped up by aliens !
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Ha! He strikes me as the type of guy who hits when he is angry.

    Now this was something that he had been planning to do for a while, and I imagine that he came prepared on that Thanksgiving afternoon.

    I think he beat her to death with something, or perhaps stabbed her to death. I think they found blood in that house, and I definitely don’t think he used a gun.

    Blood means blunt object or knife.
     
  19. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. I’ve been saying for a couple of threads someone else might be as culpable.
    I’m thinking of the civil suit, the language, too.
    Dead battery, later I need to bring the civvie info over.
     
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    I am curious, is “accessory before the fact” different from “conspiracy to commit murder”, and where does one draw the line?

    If she drove to CO knowing the potential outcome of that weekend, this seems to be more of a “conspiracy”, whether she was present during the murder itself, or not.

    If she did not expect anything bad to happen but accidentally something happened and she helped him, this is still “accessory after the fact”.

    What would raise the charges to conspiracy? Some demonstrated level of preplanning?
     
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