Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

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  1. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Great post, Dave. Thanks for the info.
     
  2. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny On Time Out

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    Are there abandoned mines near PF's home?
     
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    dkryder Well-Known Member

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    i agree with your thoughts. i would guess that PF's mother was mostly responsible for the care of the child when it was on the mothers property. IMO, PF would be busy working either on the property or somewhere else.
     
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    justpeachy22 Well-Known Member

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    I’m behind on reading but my thoughts :

    I tend to think LE would still be looking for KK if it weren’t for the ID couple coming forward with their online call. We know the phone did send LE tracking right away in ID but I don’t guess they were going to trace that phone to KK for a long time without that phone call. The phone call helped to establish the full list of charges against PF.

    I believe PF was used to getting his way in life and when things didn’t go the way he planned he got “irrational”. We know this from the quotes of him flipping the horse trailer when the horse show didn’t go the way he wanted, or his “inappropriate” behavior with horses. To get his way with the women in his life, I’m guessing he was domineering with them and that they fell “victim” to his agendas by their blind love for him. He wanted KB to move to Co, so she did, he wanted Kk to kill kB ( though not willing to “go all the way”, she allegedly became part of his plot). I believe kB is not alive because she wasn’t doing what he wanted her to do. IMO. others have theirs.
     
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  5. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Sadly, the flipping of the trailer is not an isolated incident.
    Idk his inappropriate behavior with horses, any rodeo, dude ranch, horse show, etc., people handle their horses “their” way. LE is usually presents, if abuse is flagrant, I hope someone alerts them.
    Jmo
     
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    Gunslinging Granny On Time Out

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    shortened for brevity

    The FBI had Patrick's phone and they very likely had his phone records when they were in Idaho. There's no doubt KK blew up Patrick's phone multiple times a day with calls, texts, and photos. Living only 30 minutes away from Gooding, Idaho, KK was the number one suspect for why Kelsey's stolen phone pinged there. (Only the village idiot would take a murder victim's phone and ping it 30 minutes from her house. She could have made it ping in Wyoming or Utah as she drove home from CO.)
     
  7. MrsWatson

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    I just keep going back to a post about 3000 threads ago, when someone pointed out how very personal a phone is. I just can't wrap my head around any scenario that puts the phone in KK's hands that is an innocent/unknowing situation and those texts.
     
  8. SandyQLS

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    Previously it has been reported that PF never left CO between 11/22 and 12/2. If KK is not the village idiot, then who took the phone to ping in Gooding? I don't think I understand your post, and I really want to... Do you think someone else involved tried to setup KK?
     
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  9. scaredtopost

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    I keep trying to wrap my mind around the fact that PF asked IN, a female, to murder KB. What man solicits a woman to do his murderous deed? I could more easily understand him asking IN to find a hitMAN, but to ask her to do it is baffling. Maybe I'm just old fashioned or misinterpreting???
    JMO ,MOO, etx
     
  10. InvSmith

    InvSmith Close Your Eyes to See and Open Your Heart to Hear

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    No, the phone was reportedly disposed of via LE but they do have text messages and some form of solicitations. Disposing of the phone doesn't mean the data was not retrievable from the provider. The solicitations could be text, email, voicemail, verbal, and as we have seen witnessed by others second-hand/third-hand.
     
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  11. InvSmith

    InvSmith Close Your Eyes to See and Open Your Heart to Hear

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    I agree with all you said. When PF voluntarily (that is always funny to write as when would anyone really voluntarily turn their phone over to detectives) turned over his phone they would have found the linking area code/person quickly.
     
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    InvSmith Close Your Eyes to See and Open Your Heart to Hear

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    It pinged 30 mins from KL's house reportedly on 11/25/2018. Then was reportedly disposed of my KL.
     
  14. Ultra Violet

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    Whoa! Thanks for sharing. New snippets of information with the CBS interview, I had to listen to this one twice.

    What a complicated and tangled web. It shows how little we know right now. My heart breaks for the Berreth family. Let’s hope for some good news soon.
     
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    Makes you wonder if LE has "pieces of the phone" or "phone" but have not released that information. I sincerely hope they have evidence that she HAD it in her possession.
     
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    InvSmith Close Your Eyes to See and Open Your Heart to Hear

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    Reports are conflicting but it looks like she had ended the relationship perhaps. Some relationships; however, women don't get to walk away from.
     
  17. gliving

    gliving Just the facts, ma'am

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  18. MyBelle

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    LE had PF's phone and would have easily tracked down KK's phone number from the PF's provider call detail records. LE could then easily obtain a search warrant for KK's phone records. As someone else has pointed out, the ping was not all that far from where she lived.
    JMO
     
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  19. The Night Watchman

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    Great information Dave! Could you comment on disposing of a body in the Florissant/WP area? I don't think most people know anything about mine shafts and how likely that would be a solution. Other thoughts if someone had a couple hours to place a body where they hoped it would never be found.

    I checked out your profile. 4 posts (all solid!). 1st one in 2008. Don't leave us and come back in 2028!
     
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    Maybe it’s just me but this couple has never met KK — info must be coming from the BFF or others. For some reason, to me, it sounds like damage control for KK. It will take a lot to change my mind.

    No call to law-enforcement from KK when KB was threatened over a period of time. And again no call when her own child was threatened. The latter is difficult to swallow. I don’t buy the stories. Time will tell, I hope.
     
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