Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

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  1. kkdj

    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    Would they hit on both places? ie dead body and dead body.
     
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  2. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    I mean a dumpster, the type you find outside commercial buildings.

    When Michael Blagg killed his wife and daughter, he put their bodies inside a dumpster right outside his office.

    His wife’s body was ultimately recovered from a landfill, some 8 months later.

    Incidentally, this also happened in Colorado.
     
  3. Concernedmamaof3

    Concernedmamaof3 Well-Known Member

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    I remember mustlove talking about the trash cans weeks ago. IIRC their pick up was Friday.
     
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  4. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    Is this important? The question was whether or not there was another landfill. There is.

    Strangely, the Midway landfill in Fountain ... looks extremely similar with what it accepts.
    Midway Landfill | Management Facility (Disposal) | WMSolutions.com

    Acceptable Materials
    Non-Hazardous
    • Asbestos-Non-Friable
    • Auto Shredder Fluff
    • Biosolids
    • CERCLA Waste
    • Construction & Demolition Debris
    • E&P Wastes
    • Industrial & Special Waste
    • Municipal Solid Waste
    • NORM (Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material)
    • Yard Waste
     
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  5. Dave F.

    Dave F. Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it does! Should the CBI search it too?
     
  6. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    ABC News: Search for Kelsey Berreth expands to landfill, authorities say


    SABBBFAA:

    FOUNTAIN, Colo. - The search for evidence in the case of missing 29-year-old Colorado mother, Kelsey Berreth, now includes the Midway Landfill in Fountain, Colorado, ABC News reports.

    According to the report from ABC News, a spokeswoman for the landfill that is just south of Colorado Springs confirmed the facility recently drew the attention of investigators in the disappearance of Berreth and presumed murder by her fiancé, Patrick Frazee.

    This article states search of the landfill is connected to KB's case specifically.
     
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  7. Dave F.

    Dave F. Well-Known Member

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    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    Don't know. I would think they would consult with trash haulers to determine where trash picked up in a certain place, perhaps on a particular day or days, is taken and only search that place. I wouldn't recommend randomly picking landfills to search if you really want to find something.
     
  9. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

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    IF THE LANDFILL SEARCH IS RELATED TO THIS CASE....

    A rough calculation.....the Midway landfill processes about 270,000 tons of garbage per year per a WM fact sheet about the facility. That's close to 1,000 tons per business day (M-F). It has been 8 weeks since the disappearance, that's 40 business days.

    40 business days x 1,000 tons per day = 40,000 tons x 2,000 pounds per ton = 80,000,000 pounds of trash that would have been processed by that landfill since Thanksgiving.

    Google tells me that a cubic yard of compacted trash typically weighs between 500 t0 600 pounds. (Use an average of 550 lbs per cubic yard.)

    80,000,000 pounds of compacted trash divided by 550 pounds per cubic yard means those 80 million pounds take up around 145,455 cubic yards.

    One cubic yard equals 27 square feet, so 145,545 cubic yards equals 3,927,285 cubic feet.

    The cube root of 3,927,285 equals 157.77.

    If I have done my math correctly, then the amount of trash deposited in that landfill since Thanksgiving would take up a space 157 feet long by 157 feet wide by 157 feet high. That's a lot of trash.

    Now, if WM can pinpoint more closely the location of the waste it received from the Woodland Park area that arrived in the week following Thanksgiving, then that would help a lot.

    Edited for typo
     
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  10. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.

    I think KB's townhome is within Loft Village HOA which also uses the street address 269 E Lake Ave. They don't seem to have a webpage. I was unable to locate a pickup day, but WM does provide residential service there.

    When I lived in an HOA without garages, we wheeled the bins to the back of our unit, but we had half-size bins. There were common dumpsters by the office/clubhouse for oversized items, or if you just had too much one week.
     
  11. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS Well-Known Member

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    I think "municipal solid waste" covers regular residential and common business trash. IMO
     
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  12. Auntie Cipation

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    Repeating what's been said, just laying it all out so
    I can think clearly. I see a few separate possibilities. Either (1) he put her body (or whatever's being searched for) in a regular garbage can that was picked up by WM's house service, possibly at her home, or (2) he put her into a dumpster, either at a commercial business or a construction site, etc., or (3) he put her in some kind of can or bag or box and brought it to the landfill directly (or had someone drop it for him). Or, although it seems super unlikely because of the previous search, (4) perhaps something that was dumped at the Divide Transfer Station was then transferred to Fountain and not caught in the earlier search.

    In my experience, not always. My local transfer stations (rural area, towns of 100-500 people) are run by WM and they don't look into cans to see what kind of trash is there. We put metal in a separate pile (that is eventually crushed and hauled away and sold for scrap), and wood and yard waste into a pile that is burned once a year or so, and they have special cabinets for paint, batteries, and toxics. But that's only if we offer up that's what we have. Anything in a garbage can, if we don't mention it, will just be assumed to be household garbage, and it goes into dumpsters at the transfer station that are then hauled away, presumably to an actual landfill somewhere.
     
  13. Concernedmamaof3

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    Mustlove mentioned that everyone had their own bins. I remember fairly clearly because we were talking about whether PF thought to take out the trash. Diapers get stinky fast. If he didn’t take them out you would be able to tell they had been sitting there for over a week. Mustlove had said KB (or potentially PF) would need to take them out and bring them in.
     
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  14. Gardener1850

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    I'm late catching up on this thread but I'm with @PommyMommy that I'm not ruling out flying just yet. KK does not have a private pilot's license but what if someone else who does have one flew her down to visit PF in a private plane? We are not allowed to sleuth anyone except PF at this point in time but here is a link that might be valuable for anyone who wants to do their own research on this angle (Kelsey's pilot's license info is listed): FAA Registry - Airmen - AirmenInquiry - Name Search
     
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  15. TheVic

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    I thought she was found in Aguilar and was from Aurora.
     
  16. SandyQLS

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    @Bill Carson - Hey, you're back, and with maths!

    I saw a program once about landfill management. It's all laid out in 3-D grids/cubes and they can narrow it down - if someone has told them what dumpster/where they put KB's body. WM will get the truck number and locate the "address" in the landfill where they deposited that truck's load.
     
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  17. GordianKnot

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  18. TheVic

    TheVic Well-Known Member

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    I have a feeling which landfill they are searching is based on words that are coming out of KKs mouth. JMO.
     
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  19. GordianKnot

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    That's certainly possible. Unlike PF, KK appears to be pretty comfortable letting the mouth part of her face say it all.
     
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  20. TheVic

    TheVic Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure the more she sweats from FBI questioning, the more she talks too.
     
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