Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #33 *ARREST*

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  1. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Ita. The only way I see him living in small, connected quarters is in jail. Where he obviously belongs according to the DA.
    Living off the ranch would have been a hardship for him.
    Cattle get put, injured, need medical attention, as do horses/dogs.
    Idk if we will ever know the status of their relationship. Seems they both told a dif’ story.
    I can honestly say if I had a child out of wedlock, my mom would have hounded me daily “when you getting married”, just because that’s how she was. I would have said what I needed to say to shut her up & change the subject. Moo
     
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  2. Aydrianna523

    Aydrianna523 Well-Known Member

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    Then there's others who have adult daughters (or sons) that only call when something is wrong. You almost hate to get a call because 'no news is good news'.
    I'm not sure if all parents really get the full lowdown on their daughter's boyfriends or husband. I'm guessing it varies.
     
  3. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with acorns

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    I don't know where you got that number. PF runs cattle on BLM land, not at the 35-acre ranchette. PF is actually quite busy with his various ag businesses.
     
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  4. vaporlass

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    Thank you for update Noetic Soul!
    SkyCountry ... it’s hard for me to think KK is any less a monster than PF when she knew for months that he was trying to have her killed and she did nothing except discuss with her BFF - which I think she only did in case PF turned on her.
    I’ve tried giving her the benefit of doubt but I can’t imagine ANY scenario or ANY reason, I would continue to have a relationship with someone who was constantly talking about murdering the mother of his child.
    Who does this???
    I hope you are right that more arrests are coming ... I realize they may need her testimony but I’m going to be mad if she walks with no sentence at all.
     
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    Yeah, that entered my mind too. Did PFs relatives want him to marry? The house looks kinda big. And some parents do take in adult children and spouses. I did it once.
    And especially if he's helping to run the ranch. Mystery there.
     
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  6. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Land and dogs (especially those being bred) and cattle and horses take a ton of money for upkeep. We spend around $150 per month, on average, for just one of our horses. By the time you buy feed, fresh straw, health maintenance. Winter brings its own expenses because the grazing changes, too.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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  8. vaporlass

    vaporlass Well-Known Member

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    I hope prosecution thinks like you do! And I’d love to watch it, but if he’s like most murderers - he won’t testify...
     
  9. skycountry

    skycountry Well-Known Member

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    Teller County allows ONE well on land up to 35 acres, there is no other house on this property, as it would have to share the one well that is there.
    Private Wells for Home Use - 6.700 - Extension
     
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  10. ajaylee

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    BBM

    I can understand why he might have thought this.

    Another Colorado woman, Terry Ackerman, disappeared from Lochbuie, Colorado in August and has not been heard from since. Lochbuie is about 2 hours from Woodland Park. There's a thread here on WB about her. She left her purse, keys and car behind. Married woman, grandmother, wasn't living a 'risky' lifestyle. I've been told the dogs traced her scent from the house to the curb, but nothing since.

    PF might very well have thought that his small town police department would never have the resources or skills to find KB. He may also have (falsely) assumed that LE would find the story of a runaway more believable if the girl in question was not a 'local' girl.
     
  11. skycountry

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    I think it is mis-leading, it would not be cost effective to run more than a few cows on his 35 acre "ranchette" year round. They would have to be fed daily, and that would take away from any profit. He has to have other land available to him for grazing, either BLM or a rancher. BLM land leases are cheap, sometimes only a few dollars a year per animal. jmo
     
  12. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    oh mother of god, lifetime movie... just, no
     
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    I'd be inclined to agree with you, except for two things. I think KB's neighbor said that PF was at KB's all the time. I don't have the exact reference, but it sounded like he was semi-living there.

    Second, IIRC, the condo was 15 miles from the ranchette. That's not the worst commute in the world - not if you love the mother of your child and the ranchette is just your work place.

    He wouldn't have liked it - and financially, he probably saw her as a potential score. Her real and steady income + living with his mom - that might have looked pretty good to him.

    Something that hasn't been mentioned regarding PF's income: was he living rent-free with mom or does he have to pay his share of mortgage/property taxes/utilities/upkeep?
     
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    PF's Mom has two other properties in the area, although I don't know if they are suitable for grazing.
     
  15. skycountry

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    I think if KK was really involved LE would have arrested her. We don't have much to go on right now, all we can do is speculate atm. JMO
     
  16. Hatfield

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    JMO
    Exactly. Having a lack of empathy is very hard to understand for us folks that have feelings for others. Some of us cannot even watch certain fake movie scenes of murder without turning away in horror.

    PF showed no care towards KB and especially not towards her Mom and family and friends.

    PF selfishly was just caring about himself with no thought about how killing KB would affect others.

    The lack of empathy helps allow killers to do such awful things and its important to realize there are people in this world that are more than capable to do horrendous things without blinking an eye.

    The other thing is sometimes hatred and jealously override what little empathy someone has. KK may have had some empathy since she shared with her BFF some concerns when she was solicited. But other emotions like jealously or hatred could have overridden anything else which could have allowed her to assist PF by taking the phone and maybe did other things we are not yet aware of.
     
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    Dave F. Has left the building.

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  18. skycountry

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    Maybe it runs in PF's family, as his immediate family were vindictive in asking for custody of baby K right away. No empathy for KB's mom, who had just learned that KB was gone, and PF was jailed for her murder. Surely they could have asked for visitation only, and not full custody, anyone with an ounce of compassion would have understood that baby K was going to be a blessing to the Berreth family at this time. jmo
     
  19. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with acorns

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    I would say the reporter is an urban person with little understanding of the AG business. PF has some cows at the 35-acres. They can be seen in the pipe pens and in his dog videos. But you don't "run" cattle on that home acreage which is also 2/3 forested. PF "runs" his cattle business from the 35-acres, but the herd of cattle is "running" on BLM land elsewhere.

    Is this somehow complicated? Beef cattle are out "running" all over the western states. No one feeds them daily or checks on them.

    IMO it is also an urban-suburban mentality that finds it strange that adult children in any AG family continue to live at home. That's the norm, multi-generational family on one farm or ranch. They build more housing as needed.
     
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  20. Hatfield

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    I tend to agree that the news probably meant to say he runs his business from his ranchette but not necessarily had them grazing there. The address of the business is probably listed where he lived and he manages it from there but grazing the cattle is probably done on leased land somewhere else. Unless he only had 15 cows, I dont think 35 acres is enough to have too many to make it profitable.

    From this article it says the average
    rule-of-thumb is that it takes 1.5 to 2 acres to feed a cow calf pair for 12 months

    "It looks like our rule-of-thumb
    held up pretty good, 11 cows
    on 20 acres, is 1.8 acres per

    cow. We have enough forage to feed
    our cows for the whole year
    . These figures give you a
    good estimate and are a
    great place to start"



    https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb1097070.pdf
     
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