Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #34 *ARREST*

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  1. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Farrier tools would be very nominal. Once he set up he’s practice & purchased his initial equipment, he was good to go. There’s little overhead.
    I doubt a used anvil has much value. MOO
     
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    Aydrianna523 Well-Known Member

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    Oops.
     
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  3. Aydrianna523

    Aydrianna523 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely sounds like a body search.
     
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    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    "We have never been able to get his papers." - A bit sloppy, that breeder of Sport? ;)
     
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    The original owner was probably supposed to neuter within a specific time frame & chose not to, hoping to make money, using him as a sire. Sometimes people will not fulfill their contract to spay/neuter. After the time frame passes, they think they can get the papers. It doesn’t work that way. If the purchaser wants to breed, he’s going to pay a whole lot more. MOO. This particular dog may not have been P’s, only sired by his stud.
    From what I’ve found regarding P’s dogs, they are top of the line. There’s very little expense associated with breeding making me think he enjoyed a handsome profit. Jmo
     
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    That spoke volumes to me.
     
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    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    What? Why?

    There’s no mention why the original owner of Sport would not transfer papers. Sport was not P’s dog, imo. P’s stud dog is the father to Sport.
     
  8. Lhughessk

    Lhughessk Bounty. The quicker picker-upper and hitlist-maker

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    That 60 days is as of this week. I suspect that much earlier than this week (at the point in December when they arrested PF), LE contacted the landfill and asked them to halt dumping in their current grid location and start dumping somewhere else. So the grid location corresponding to Thanksgiving would not have continued to accumulate waste beyond the point that they halted it.

    At least, that would have been the smart way to handle it. Let’s hope somebody up there has some smarts.
     
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    So IF Kelsey's body is in the landfill, LE figured it out from someone who told them (the guys with him that day, or KK). It was certainly suspicious his sitting in the car that day.
    I think she's there. He wasn't at Kelsey's that long to dismember afaik.
    On Thanksgiving relatives might have been waiting on him, so disposal was probably quick. Just guessing.
    Did we figure out that that's where his trash pickup usually ended up at?
     
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    I just don't think it is her body they are going to be looking for at the landfill site. It just seems too risky to have dumped the body in that way when there are so many other places or ways he could have disposed of the body in and around where he lived.

    I feel like LE are going to be looking for something else at the Landfill, not sure what maybe murder weapon etc.

    I could easily be wrong, I just think other ways would be easier and less risky.
     
  11. Yellow Rose

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    I honestly don't think they are searching for her body. I think they are searching for THINGS. IMO her family would have pulled out every stop if her body was recoverable.
     
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    I've still not seen anything since a few YouTube videos from 2014 that tells me PF was in the business of breeding/training/selling cattle dogs at the time he murdered KB. Are you able to link anything that indicates so?
    MOO
     
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    I also believe that had her body been recoverable they may have waited to arrest PF. I think they are now looking for some of her things (possibly her purse that was missing?). When they said that they had enough to ensure them that KB was no longer alive, I believe they found plenty of evidence to have come to that determination. Otherwise, why say it that way?
     
  14. NoeticSoul

    NoeticSoul Learning is a gift, even if pain is your teacher.

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    ITA, If they were searching for a body (or it's parts), they'd have done so long ago. Tips, accomplice info, or not. imo it's for things. Murder weapons, cleanup materials, purse, ect.
     
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    It is also possible that LE figured it out from observing video of PF disposing of a large parcel in a dumpster or transfer station. IMHO, LE would not search a landfill (a daunting and unpleasant task) unless they were pretty certain that's where KB is.
     
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    Sounds like a mega huge job, so it must be mega important. The video above says body...
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    It’s hard enough to find a body in a landfill, let alone find a murder weapon or some other object.

    It takes time, manpower, and money in order to conduct a search of that magnitude, and a body would likely be the only justification for such a search.
     
  18. Dave F.

    Dave F. Has left the building.

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    The National Cattledog Association, in whichPF competes as a breeder, stopped listing the breeder names on their website after the 2014 National competition.
    NCA | NATIONAL CATTLEDOG ASSOCIATION
    and RanchWorld.com, where PF occasionally advertized or was mentioned in advertisements, doesn't archive their ad content. Trudee just happened to catch one that was sold, before it was pulled. That dog was a two year old in April 2018, which would likely place it's birthdate in early 2016. In the furthest stretch, late 2015.
    Horses for Sale | Ranch Classifieds | Ranch Horses for Sale
    It seems to me that cattle dog breeding and training is pretty much a word of mouth business, and if a trainer has one spectacular video of full length on SM to show his product, how often does it need to be updated or replaced?
    2014 wasn't a long time ago. I believe that was the same year Ford announced the 2019 return of it's iconic Ranger pickup that it started taking orders for in December. A little bit of good rep seems to replace a lot of expensive advertising, if your principal buyers are westerners. IMO
     
  19. jaspermac

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    In other words we still don't know if he was still in the dog breeding business, not that it really matters...
     
  20. Trudie

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    I think back around thread 9 or 10 there was more current info, I’ll look later.
    If P has the sire, he wouldn’t be selling the dogs, the female’s owner would. Iirc, there’s some info referring P as a trainer. I may have been on a herd dog forum.
    Jmo
     
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