Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #36 *ARREST*

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  1. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    Just speculation, based on timing,and facts. It's not too far fetched to think that's a possibility. Especially considering the case at hand. People that murder, assist murderers, are not the kind to be trusted to be faithful to each other,or any of their spouses,or fiances.
    MOO.
     
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  2. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    IF she is pregnant and NOT by her on and off husband, then I would perhaps understand PF saying to a friend, he felt "railroaded". ;) Not by cops, rather by KKL maybe? - We will see.
     
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  3. Steelslady

    Steelslady Well-Known Member

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    This is probably a very unlikely scenario, but seeing that KK lived far away- is it possible that she didn't know about Kelsey until recently? I think I read that Kelsey didn't go to rodeos, maybe due to her job or something. Could PF have kept Kelsey and the baby a secret for awhile, two timing the both of them? I wonder when she found out about Kelsey, and how long she knew that her and PF were together and had a child together.

    It would have been easy for PF to keep both women apart. Unless they have friends in common that he couldn't hide Kelsey and the baby, it's a big world out there. That might get one's hackles up, and sadly, the wrong person gets blamed for it. I have seen many women get angry at the other woman, but never the man, which makes no sense to me. They will fight tooth and nail to keep their man- again, it doesn't make sense to me. Once a cheat, always a cheat.
     
  4. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    Get out of my head. Lol
     
  5. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Me too, on kk being instigator.

    From first day I read about her, 2-3 days before here, case was over for me.
     
  6. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Well-Known Member

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    He will probably try to discredit her with every single dark secret she had.

    I.e. If they ever had an affair while she was married, it's going to come out.
     
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  7. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    BBM:

    100% agree with you that each of us here gets to have, and to voice, our own opinions.

    It's a beautiful thang, that free exchange! Of course, there's a catch:

    Once opinions are expressed, they are open to (respectful) scrutiny and challenge.

    I'm not into "Groupthink" any more than you are...never been accused of being a bobblehead.

    But I'm not going to be playing "devil's advocate" in this case simply for the sake of doing so....KK and PF already have attorneys.

    Basic rules of logic and use of common sense can, and should, greatly inform one's opinions in this case.

    There's a reason so many of us have arrived where we're at now in terms of our thoughts r/t KK and PF.

    You have just expressed the opinion that there is a lot we don't know.

    I would say in response that there is a lot we do know.

    What we do know so far is pretty damning stuff.

    We'll see what more we learn on the 19th.

    Opinions can change. Facts aren't so mutable as opinions.

    JMO.
     
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  8. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Well-Known Member

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    It will be interesting when it comes out what his alibi was for the day. That was Thanksgiving Day, so where was everyone as it is a day that most people will remember if they were with somebody at dinner and what time they went. I wonder what depositions and or statements that the prosecution already has. I hope his family and friends have not possibly lied for him?
     
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  9. skyedaze

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    IKR!
    So in that hearing or whatever it was...she just doesn't seem remorseful at all....doesn't seem to own any of it even though she is pleading guilty to this charge.
    If she were to sound/seem/say/show she were, and take active action to back that up, I could give her some credit. But she's not. She is only there to save her own behind...cover her own behind.
    I hope she delivers on getting him nailed...and messes herself up in the process.
     
  10. ab01

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    I agree and By KK own admission, She knew that PF was about to murder KB and that he then in fact did kill her. Then that she "willfully" disposed of evidence to help cover it up. That alone is pretty telling IMO
     
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  11. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    If she was more involved than she claims it will come out. (Out damn spot).
    I doubt he's going to just fall on a sword for her.
    He couldn't even keep it in his pants for her, contrary to her thinking she's all that.
    MOO
     
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    Yep! Agreed. We say it and hear it all the time: "We don't know what we don't know."

    It can equally be said, "We do know what we do know."

    And, unlike PF, who is stupid, all of us here are bright individuals.

    This thread is chock full of smart, knowledgeable and, yes, opinionated, posters.

    Reasonable people can agree to disagree.

    Unreasonable people generally just disagree.

    JMO.
     
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  13. Kapua

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    I don't find that possibility all that unlikely. I think PF was playing both women. I don't think KK thought that KB was his "fiancée", ever. MOO and pure speculation.
     
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  14. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    ITA.
    I doubt he's going to fall on a sword for her. Contrary to her thinking she's all that. He couldn't keep it in his pants for her. I bet she was just as unfaithful to her hubby too.
    Sad they mutually destroyed a beautiful, innocent life.
    Now the can mutually destroy each other.
    Because neither one of them are thinking about anyone but themselves.
    Not thinking about Kelsey, not thinking about Baby K, KK not thinking about her own children.
    Just thinking about saving their own hineys,and images.
    MOO
     
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    I think PF originally asked KK to kill KB in a joking way to test her response. KK was appalled, then dismissed it as a joke. That opened the door for him to slowly build a case: KB is preventing him from getting together with KK and she's crazy and he's worried she'll hurt the baby (and, by suggestion, KK if she hears about her). This is rich, coming from a guy who allegedly threatened KK's children.

    I agree with another poster, I think there's a good chance that KK wanted her friend to run some of this by the R's, her lawyer employers. Clumsy, but I think KK was hoping to indirectly find out what her legal risk might be if she did help PF out.

    I think he chose Thanksgiving - maybe SF wasn't home. I think afterwards, he called KK and told her what he'd done and asked for help. KK probably figured that she wasn't responsible for the murder, it's all over, he 'just' needs clean-up help. Nothing will bring KB back, but why ruin more lives?

    I think it went down pretty much like that. One point I'm not sure about: did KK know PF was going to kill her on Thanksgiving, or did he pick the date, do the deed, and call her for cleanup help afterwards?

    I haven't kept up, but the last I saw, CW's mother still doesn't believe he killed their children. I wonder what SF is thinking right now. If she believed in PF before, her faith must be shaken now.
     
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    Women can be just as deviant and dangerous, makes no difference man or woman. Even an Ex Rodeo Queen with two little kids and a clean record except for a few little driving/insurance offenses. This is why I am so enthralled with such cases, what flips that switch to do such an act. As in CWatts also, what finally flips that crazy switch?

    Yes the railroad remark has not left my mind but with what little I know it is hard to connect it to anything exact.
     
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    Post of the day! :)
     
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  18. FromGermany

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    ;) Hopefully she will not try for some pregnancy hormones angle (if).
     
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    gliving Just the facts, ma'am

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    “This happens all the time in every court room in the United States,” said Mike McDivitt, chief operating officer with McDivitt Law Firm.

    McDivitt, a lawyer with more than four decades of experience, thinks Patrick Frazee is the reason the district attorney’s office struck a deal with Kenney.

    “The big fish here that they’re after is Mr. Frazee and so they need help to get at that fish ring and bring it in,” he said.

    A plea deal can be a critical tool for prosecutors to prove their case.

    “If [Kenney is] admitting that she tampered with evidence, it’s very possible that she did a lot – had a lot of knowledge about what went on,” McDivitt explained.
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    But for now, he says it’s normal to have it all under wraps.

    “To have it all revealed right now takes away the concept of a jury trial,” he explained.

    The public will know more at Frazee’s preliminary hearing on February 19th.

    Kenney will be sentenced after Frazee.
    McDivitt says this ensures she follows through with the terms of her plea deal.
    A judge will decide her sentence. It could range from probation to three years in prison."

    Krystal Kenney’s plea deal ensures her cooperation, legal expert says
     
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  20. Ultra Violet

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    Just watched the hearing again. I am surprised how many times KKL looks / glares at the camera. Rawr.

    There’s been some discussion about her not crying until she had to give her statement, which makes it look like she is only ugly crying for herself. I definitely agree.

    Does anyone have an opinion on crying in front of judges? Does it show remorse for your actions? Or does it come across as a pity party?

    I’m guessing judges will see the whole range of defendants, from stoic to a sobbing mess. Not seeing the defendant outside of the courtroom appearances, how do they gauge what is genuine emotion and remorse? And is it obvious to them when it is just for show?
     
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