Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #40 *ARREST*

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  1. girlhasnoname

    girlhasnoname Well-Known Member

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    I'm replying to my own post just to clarify my statement here:
    PF has always been the Monster we knew from day 1.
    Now KK has been revealed to be as equally Monster-ish. IMO
    My laser focus on PF as the bad guy and only one responsible is now conflicted by KK's level of participation.

    I don't think PF is ANY less guilty or less responsible by any means, I just don't want the general public to feel doubts about him in their blind rage at KK's actions.

    Hope this isn't one of those "clear as mud" moments. :oops::)
     
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  2. jaspermac

    jaspermac Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, what the defense is going to say. I have tried to go back through everything and collect what i could on PF, but could have missed some things.

    1. I do believe he did it. KK was in Idaho at a family Thanksgiving- and i think the cell pings indicate KK was already dead- her phone was with PF.

    But here is the problem:

    Evidence against Patrick

    Nov 22- video of him back at KB’s house at 336 is in conflict with his statements

    Nov 22- cell phone pings show that KB and PF’s phones were together late in the day near divide and later west of cripple creek

    Nov 23- cell phone pings of KB and PF’s phones show they were both in florrissant

    Nov 24- texts exchanged between the two phones near Florissant and cripple creek (by the afternoon KK’s and KB’s cell phones were together pinging of the same towers at the same times.

    Circumstantial Evidence Against Patrick

    Nov 22- PF called KK at 437 pm

    Nov 24- Ent credit union survellience- Patrick seen on surveillance and his truck with a black tote in the back-

    All of KK’s testimony

    Black tote that is surmised to have contained KB and was burned.

    Burn pit- accelerant identified as being used

    Hay bale discoloured

    Defense can poke a million holes in this. There is no proof of what was in the black tote. KK didn't even see it. No footage of PF or KK at the house- after 336 on Nov 22 for PF.

    I would convict but depending on how it plays out and how blood testing comes out, I can see some people having reasonable doubt.

    I am scared. They are both equally involved as far as I am concerned. She was actually going to kill KB on 3 occassions. WTH?? She drove 800 miles to clean up someone else's mess when she could have called the police and they would have caught him red handed.

    Mind boggling...
     
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  3. MKZoo

    MKZoo Well-Known Member

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    When KK’s deal was first announced I know that several WSers said they were worried about a Karla Homolka- like situation. I didn’t post at the time but I honestly dismissed the thought as even a slight possibility. That could not happen again. Right??

    Sheesh. Now.. I am less sure. Much less sure than I want to be in a case this awful.


    Imo.
     
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  4. vaporlass

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    A bottle of bleach is very heavy BUT I suspect she used the cleaning supplies that were already there and she only had to carry her “painters protection” suit - that she had on hand - to do the job. :mad:
     
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  5. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    “You have a mess to clean up.”

    What the Frazee is that!
     
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  6. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    Bingo , I also think he knew a lot about what was happening! But that probably off limits so I’ll zip it
     
  7. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Amen!
     
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  8. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    Yes, but I really wanted her to be there to hear every disgusting detail with others watching....not out in the hallway.
     
  9. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Aw yes. The brother who said he didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary on Thanksgiving. The defense made sure to point out that SF2 is a member of LE and would have noticed suspicious behavior. :rolleyes:
    MOO
     
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  10. Ccging

    Ccging Well-Known Member

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    As much as it pains me to think about, I’m hopeful that maybe one reason he burned the body was that there was a lot of evidence on it, I hope Kelsey fought like hell and his DNA was under her nails, maybe she even got a good bite in and that’s what caused him to knock her tooth out. I’d also like to think that if that SOB had actually returned her gun to her maybe she would have gotten a shot off, he did not have that gun at the scene for more than one reason. MOO
     
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  11. srg

    srg Verified Clinical Psychologist

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    Right! And what the Frazee that KK complied with this demand after PFs execution of KB!
     
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  12. jewelsmac

    jewelsmac No one really knows why anyone does anything

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    He doesn't have a soul.
     
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    It shows that he is a true narcissist, IMHO, and IANAP. He has no idea how normal people's emotions work, because he only cares for himself. MOO
     
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  14. jaspermac

    jaspermac Well-Known Member

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    Just remember she was in idaho on Nov 22 at a family thanksgiving. And PF had both phones , his and KB's, pinging with him late Nov 22 and early Nov 23. I don't think KK did it- only based on that. But she was certainly willing and able given her 3 other attempts.
     
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  15. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Maybe there was another plan to kill her and it was aborted? (I'm not speculating on any other woman PF may have solicited. Really, I'm not.)
     
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    GHgal Well-Known Member

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    OMG! I just had a horrible vision of the blood splatter on the baby. If most of the apartment was covered in blood how would he have made sure none ended up on on her?
    I’m sickened.
     
  17. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    Didn't PF, bro, and LE meet at Five Guys burger place?
     
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  18. girlhasnoname

    girlhasnoname Well-Known Member

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    Gonna agree 100% here. This big ole strapping cowboy did not think of that one, if it happened at all.
    MOO
     
  19. jaspermac

    jaspermac Well-Known Member

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    Yes her testimony was she used the cleaning supplies there
    Oxiclean, windex and bleach
     
  20. Kapua

    Kapua Well-Known Member

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    Dumb question. Why was the hay bale discolored?
     
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  21. jaspermac

    jaspermac Well-Known Member

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    Yes
     
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